08-04-2014, 03:55 PM | #23 |
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I was asking myself a similar question a few weeks ago. A local Porsche dealer had a barely used 2013 991 Carrera S manual transmission, loaded up with all the right packages (Sport Chrono, PASM, etc.), including the Aerokit Cup body kit. It's original MSRP was $135K, but they were selling it for $96K. Someone had taken a $40k loss on it and only driven it 9,000 miles.
The only reason I could even consider buying that car was because of all the equity I still have in my 1M. Ultimately, even though the 911 was perfect and even though I've always wanted one, at the end of the day I realized I wasn't prepared to spend close to $100K on a toy. Not just yet. That said, I wouldn't hate on anyone that traded up from a 1M to a 911. At the end of the day, if you can capitalize on the 1M's appreciation in order to make the purchase of a much more expensive car that you've always wanted more feasible, then go for it. Sure, the 1M is the rarer car but who cares? If the only reason keeping you with the 1M is its rarity then you've got some soul-searching to do. Financially speaking, everyone is right that the 1M will depreciate a lot less than even a lightly used 991. But if you've always wanted a 991 and can take the depreciation then don't let that fact stop you. We are living in a golden age of enthusiast cars. Realistically we have another 10-15 years of enjoying our 911s and R8s and 1Ms and GTRs before the self-driving autos take over. Enjoy and drive as many of these machines as you can now so you can tell your grand kids about them in a couple of decades.
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08-04-2014, 04:22 PM | #24 |
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I've driven both quite a bit and it boils down to this:
The Porsche "feels" nicer when you're driving it but the 1M is more fun to drive. An interesting conundrum dependent on your tail-wagging inclinations. All other considerations are only conversation |
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I agree with you on the 997.2 GT3, that will hold its value way longer than a 991. A 991 is a fantastic car, I have driven it. $50-60k in guaranteed depreciation scares me, though it will make a great used buy in a few years. I already see base 2012 991's in the low $70's that were $110k new.
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08-08-2014, 09:36 PM | #27 | |
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Buy the Porsche and see how that depreciation works out for you |
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08-09-2014, 03:20 PM | #28 |
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hmmm, I remember back in 2011, remember a whole bunch of gentleman that put their hard earn money down as a deposit on car that they never driven or seen in person. Wonder if depreciation is on their mind when they put these deposit down for that special car that only comes in 3 colors and only available in manual transmission.
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08-10-2014, 10:20 AM | #31 |
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08-10-2014, 10:31 AM | #32 |
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Here is your rear fender, if you can afford it, go after it....yolo!!!
You can still keep the 1M if you can get a 2012 Porsche 911 for a base honda accord price like one of the member here just posted earlier. |
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08-11-2014, 12:50 AM | #35 |
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dont know about you,,
i've sold mine before.. ended up with another one just 4 months after that.. LOL but try the 911 .. it is also a very interesting car ... then from there you could know and feel, where your hearts belongs to.
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08-11-2014, 10:07 PM | #38 |
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Back to the original question "should you sell the 1M?" I would say no, reason being is unless you get the 911 turbo, you won't get that crazy torque from a 4S or a Carrera S,
Mine has the power kit and rated at 430hp, but low torque, smooth linear power, not like the rawness of the 1M. |
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10-16-2014, 10:19 AM | #39 |
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So after selling my AW 1M back in July after two great years I have now bought a......
997.2 Carrera 2 GTS in Carrera white with PDK and its everything I ever imagined it to be Chris
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10-19-2014, 05:59 AM | #40 | |
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10-19-2014, 11:55 PM | #41 |
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Porsche going Turbo all the way!!
Hey guys,
From what I've been reading, Porsche is planning on turbocharging their naturally aspirated engines to cut back CO2 emissions and improve their efficiency, just like BMW started doing these past years. According to CAR Magazine, the Carrera will go up to 404bhp/405 lb ft. using a smaller 2.9L flat six turbo engine, and the Carrera S may go up to 530bhp/516 lb ft. using the same 3.8L flat six engine but turbocharging it. I love the power upgrade and the improved torque and responsiveness of the turbocharger will most probably be amazing, but I think I'll miss the awesome burble that naturally aspirated flat six Porsche engines have. Just wanted to give you a heads up before you go running to buy a 991 Carrera or Carrera S without knowing about the possibility of the 991.2 coming out next year.
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10-20-2014, 10:19 PM | #42 | |
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If you've ever driven a Porsche on a track, autoX or any hpde (the way they're meant to be driven) you'd know that there's no way the flat six gets more responsive with FI. Faster, sure. |
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10-21-2014, 08:41 AM | #43 |
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I have, and what I meant from the improved responsiveness from a turbocharger was from the huge amount of torque all the way from the bottom line and up, and how much fun that is.
If you've ever driven a 1M (on track, off track or on the way to the grocery shop) you would know what I mean. I think you're stuck thinking about turbochargers from the 80's. |
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I've owned two N54s an N55 an S65 and frequently HPDE with my father-in-law in his 981 S. IMHO, the N5x engines aren't that useful on a track (the brilliance of the 1M's chassis- over a standard 1-er notwithstanding). Turbo lag that's nearly imperceptible on the street becomes much more apparent when you're on/off throttle quickly or attempting to make small adjustments mid corner. Moreover, a difficult to modulate wall of torque isn't ideal (on most tracks) in a chassis prone to snap oversteer. Pretensioning in the S55 helps this- so I've heard- but at great expense/complexity. At the moment, turbo charging, for a track car, is (to me) too much of a compromise. If you haven't driven an NA car with a linear power band (peak power at/near redline) on a track, you should. It's a totally different experience. All the complaints about a lack of torque- often from those who have driven an S65 (or similar) on the street- melt away when you can keep that engine (or similar) in the ballistic zone above 7K RPM. Around town/on the highway, I'd take the N5x. On a track, or if I could only have one car (having driven both) its a NA. But that's just my opinion. |
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