Some 1M Coupe In Depth Looks

[330CIZHP]

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

1. 7500+ redline. Ut ow, the engine has been underestimated by some folks around here. Not just an iS transplant!

Oh gosh here we go again!!!!

The gauge cluster has been shown before and it revs no higher than 7000 rpm just like 335. The sound is no different than a x35 except a bit more exhaust note. There had been many pictures before of the gauge cluster.

The picture you are looking at has been cut from the right side so the beginning of the redline 7000 rpm is not visible.

It is finally time to get real now about what M cars will be.

[Jaguar66]

Heres the BS I don't like. The picture of the guages is cropped like this intentionally, leaving everyone guessing as to the redline numbers. Either that, or Scott knew that the guage that was actually photographed did not represent the true redline, and cropped it. I have to ask myself, whey would he do either of these actions?

[BBBluey]

The pics do suck. But now I'm just hoping that Mwheel will be an easy swap to fit in my 135. I think it should have came with the msport package to begin with.
Sure would be nice to hear a story from a fellow addict in Europe coming across these prototypes on the road for a little cat and mouse action against a 35i (with a tune). Damn I wish I was still in Germany.

[Sdracing]

That paint job is horrible. Who is going to like that? j/k

I'm pretty sure like the paint, the seats are not going to standard.

Even if they are standard, I would easily and happily live with cloth seats in a 1M if the price is right. If the price point of the 1M is just 3k more than a stripped 135i, that seems like a good compromise.

[FrenchBoy]

Interesting, there seems to be an MDM (M Dynamic Mode) option for the traction control!

[Mahmood07]

Do bmw purposely try to be as boring as possible? I think you really have to try hard to make gauges look as boring and ugly as those.

[poody]

People in this thread content with CLOTH seats need to really take a seat back because this is a sports car and not an econobox pos. The minimum trim should be alcantera but here's hoping for leather similar to recaro's with more side bolstering

[Robert]

Originally Posted by BForbes

Come on, 1addicts. Dont get worked up so easily. This is a pro to type. I do agree that they need to work on those gauges though.

Their marketing campaign is so haphazard. These pictures date back to the press day on the track with older mules.

Then they released strip photos from the almost ready, finalized, production car in Paris with M3 seats and different tach/speedo.

Now they released in-depth picture of the older mules with regular 135i sports seats?!?! wth

I want a story, a consistent story, introduction, the problem, climax, and a happy ending.

[grant]

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

I'd love an engine that pulled to 7500, super sporty seats, a basic interior, <= 3300lbs, <= $45k, and Euro Delivery.

Even if they bump the redline to 7500 doesn't really mean much. The current iS engine's HP peak is at 5900, so they could bump it to 6400 (where you should shift), and bump the redline (uselessly for performance, handy for marketing, potentially damaging/wearing on engines) to 7500.

I think you're confused. You should not shift at the hp peak for best performance. You want the engine to spend as much time as possible as close to the hp peak as you can. If you shift at hp peak, you're not doing that since upshifting puts you well below hp peak in the next gear. The reason the redline (the proper shift point) is generally higher than the hp peak is because upshifting will put you a roughly equal amount below the hp peak in the next gear (so you average in a range where the hp peak is in the center, more or less).

[HBspeed]

Originally Posted by grant

I think you're confused. You should not shift at the hp peak for best performance. You want the engine to spend as much time as possible as close to the hp peak as you can. If you shift at hp peak, you're not doing that since upshifting puts you well below hp peak in the next gear. The reason the redline (the proper shift point) is higher than the hp peak is because upshifting will put you an equal amount below the hp peak in the next gear (so you average in a range where the hp peak is in the center).

Well said. People need to remember it's all about area under the curve.

[Remonster]

Originally Posted by poody

People in this thread content with CLOTH seats need to really take a seat back because this is a sports car and not an econobox pos. The minimum trim should be alcantera but here's hoping for leather similar to recaro's with more side bolstering

Leather is for luxury cars, cloth seats hold you in place better than leather. Alcantara is grippier than leather but it doesn't last very long so I wouldn't want that in my car.

Go sit in an STI and tell me the seats in there aren't among the best you've ever sat in for truly sporty driving. (while you're at it notice how amazing the shifter action is, with the STI short shift option I'd say it's my favorite of any car with 2nd place being the 911.

[TrojanBMW]

I really hope the gauges aren't final. I don't like the black/gray two-tone.

[grant]

Originally Posted by TrojanBMW

I really hope the gauges aren't final. I don't like the black/gray two-tone.

I think they work pretty well with the red needles.

[ORIGIN M.]

These photos are more of the same.

Scott26, can we have something we can sink out teeth into?

[Robert]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

These photos are more of the same.

Scott26, can we have something we can sink out teeth into?

I don't think so. I think scott's job is generate interest by tossing bits and pieces at us until release date.

[poody]

Originally Posted by Remonster

Leather is for luxury cars, cloth seats hold you in place better than leather. Alcantara is grippier than leather but it doesn't last very long so I wouldn't want that in my car.

Go sit in an STI and tell me the seats in there aren't among the best you've ever sat in for truly sporty driving. (while you're at it notice how amazing the shifter action is, with the STI short shift option I'd say it's my favorite of any car with 2nd place being the 911.

Do you even own and STI? Because I do and it was tunned by HBspeed. Look at my sig, I have an 09 stage 2 STI. And yes, the tranny is solid and beefy and feels great while shifting, but we're not talking about the tranny. The seats on the STI are POS. The Alcantara is nice because if is rough enough to handle abuse from work clothes to doggy paws. But to say the STI seats are amongst the best is a joke. STI seats have been going to shit post 04-05 because fat asses complain about the bolstering. The Evo X recaros' are nice, heck even the GTI seats are way better then the STI's--they don't call them park benches for nothing.

Besides how long were you planning on keeping this car before the Alcantara starts to wear? I can gaurantee you it'll last longer than your ownership.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by poody

People in this thread content with CLOTH seats need to really take a seat back because this is a sports car and not an econobox pos. The minimum trim should be alcantera but here's hoping for leather similar to recaro's with more side bolstering

The pinnacle of motor sports is Formula 1 and they don't use "leather" seat. Leather is for luxury. Sports car never have to be expensive. It just is because manufacturer know they can charge so. That's like saying the porsche spyder or m3 csl is econo box because they have no carpet, no door handle and rear trunk space made from cardboard.

[ORIGIN M.]

I still want to see something more!

Originally Posted by Robert

I don't think so. I think scott's job is generate interest by tossing bits and pieces at us until release date.

[poody]

Originally Posted by Robert

The pinnacle of motor sports is Formula 1 and they don't use "leather" seat. Leather is for luxury.

Leather sides mix with Alcantara would be my ideal choice. And no leather is not just for luxury cars. What do you think the Nissan GTR spec comes with. Heck even the VW RS Recaros' seats are leather.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by poody

Leather sides mix with Alcantara would be my ideal choice. And no leather is not just for luxury cars. What do you think the Nissan GTR spec comes with. Heck even the VW RS Recaros' seats are leather.

Majority buyers of those cars won't be driving them on the race track, and when they do it's few times a year at most. The reason for leather is leather costs higher and for people to give away 50-100k they need justifications for the price tag. ( I am paying more therefore I get a product using more expensive materials) Nothing fundamentally is sporty about leather, it's not much lighter than cloth and it doesn't have a higher coefficient of friction to hold driver in place.

I agree it looks nicer, as in of higher quality, but I don't agree it's sportier.

The 2012 Nissan GTR has more leather and better leather. Is it the leather that made it go faster around a track?

[360bhp]

I have to say this launch of the 1M Series Coupe is really poor campaign compared to the E46, E90/92 M3s and E60 M5. It would be more efficient to show the car as is, do some tests and press releases. This tease you dont get from the the competitors at Porsche, Audi etc. Very muddled messages - I would question the PR/marketing strategy. Come on BMW AG you can do better.

[bavarian19]

nice