[Nikki]

Originally Posted by akhbhaat

No way. Too much. Would you pay 10k for an extra 50 hp? Would anybody? I wouldn't either.

Since when is performance only horsepower?

What about suspension, brakes, wheels/tires, possibly a lip kit, and more standard features?

[akhbhaat]

Originally Posted by Nikki

Since when is performance only horsepower?

What about suspension, brakes, wheels/tires, possibly a lip kit, and more standard features?

The M3 has all of that and more. Plus an expensive, limited production engine. The N54 used in the 335i shouldn't cost any more to produce than the N52B30 and the chances that it has a revised suspension and tires are slim to none. We'll probably see different wheels, but who cares, and it doesn't matter how big BMW makes the brake rotors so long as they continue using such a crappy pad compound.

Point is, if you want the complete package, you buy the M3. That's undoubtedly how BMW plans to market the line, as well. The 335i is just going to be another 3 series with some more power and a few minute changes, nothing more.

[Nikki]

Well if it wants to beat an S4 it better have upgraded suspension, tires, etc.

[3aficionado]

I think people are loosing sight of the average US consumer. We here are fanatics that can try and justify a higher price for the cars we love. But BMW will not set a base price of any non-M 3 series that high ($45K+). The $42K 335 coupe price is the high end of what BMW would do.

The coupe commonly comes with more standard equipment than the sedan. If a $42K base price was asked the coupe would definitely come with much more standard equipment. For that price it would not surprise me the sport package would be standard to compliment the more powerful engine.

Of course my guess is a base price on the coupe below 42 with more standard features than the sedan (like the e46 had) but not whole packages standard.

[stressdoc]

One possible scenario is for the 335 to be just in the E92 for a while, then transition to the 335si in the E92 and release the bi-turbo in the E90, keeping the hotter engine distinction for the coupe.

Just like the M3 coupe only the NA market has had to tolerate.

Enough to make one visit an Audi dealership.

Or emigrate.

[RichReg]

Originally Posted by poldim

haha....

Need I remind you that you are talking about the company that doesn't include floor mats?

[RichReg]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

One possible scenario is for the 335 to be just in the E92 for a while, then transition to the 335si in the E92 and release the bi-turbo in the E90, keeping the hotter engine distinction for the coupe.

Just like the M3 coupe only the NA market has had to tolerate.

Enough to make one visit an Audi dealership.

Or emigrate.

In all seriousness, I think its just a little too soon to be speculating about 335si's at this point.
But here's a thought:
What if the sedan version with the turbo engine is just called the 330si?

[stressdoc]

That which we call a rose...

[akhbhaat]

Originally Posted by RichReg

You may as well forget the E46 M3...that car is done...finished ....KAPUT.

Not as far as I'm concerned.

If it comes down between the 335i and the M3, and they're the same price, which am I going to choose?

The 335i has really tough competition for my dollar: I'm also looking at B6 S4s (B7 styling turns me off), E46 M3s, C55s, etc...not to mention the dark horse Z4 coupe, which (unlike the E46 M3 and S4) has all of the same new car advantages as the E90. I'd be willing to spend a bit more for those cars, given the fact that they're specially tuned versions of lesser cars while the 335 won't be. While the 335 is likely to be slower than most of those cars, it will have a full term warranty and I can ED it - plus, if it's not too expensive, it could also be a better value. I really liked the E90 330 that I drove, actually...but found myself wanting more power. I want something comparable to the SL500 in that regard.

[SCA]

Originally Posted by Nikki

I'd be surprised if it starts at $42k. I've been saying since the beginning that it will be $45-$47k.

I agree with Nikki.

[MB330]

Originally Posted by poldim

haha....

Need I remind you that you are talking about the company that doesn't include floor mats?

[akhbhaat]

Simple fact of the matter is that every 330i owner wants the 335i to cost more so it doesn't flat out obsolete their own model, and every non-E90 owner (including prospective buyers) wants the 335i to be priced similar to what the 330i costs now.

[marcus330i]

I'm guessing that BMWNA will remain true to it's options packages. There will be sport and premium....but the sport will be more $$ than in the 330 and will include aero front end treatment, M style 19"ers, kind of like the competition package in the outgoing M3. Base price $39,900....all tricked out $47,500 average. But hey, I'm just guessing. (I also predict cooler color choices for both exterior and interior in the 335)

[DTM]

If the coupe is 42k, wouldn't that set the sedan at around 40, so around 3.5 grand more than a 330? Doesn't that seem reasonable?

[poldim]

Originally Posted by akhbhaat

Simple fact of the matter is that every 330i owner wants the 335i to cost more so it doesn't flat out obsolete their own model, and every non-E90 owner (including prospective buyers) wants the 335i to be priced similar to what the 330i costs now.

Thank you captain obvious.


Personally I dont care what the 335's cost. I doubt that there will be that much damage to my car's resale value 4 years down the road. At that point, the consumer looking for a 3 series will know what he can afford and pick his car and engine according to his budget.

[ksfrogman]

A more powerful 3-series is a good thing in the long run.

Once a company like BMW stops to maintain a competitive edge of innovation, enthusiasts will start looking elsewhere. Market share will inevitably decline.

Not having the most recent or ultimate 3-series may seem a disappointment to many owners, but unless BMW stays ahead of its competition in the eyes of its target market, having a BMW won't be as prestigious.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by ABR

I hope that coupe will look better in person.

agreed. something looks severely jacked up with the body.

[3aficionado]

Originally Posted by akhbhaat

Simple fact of the matter is that every 330i owner wants the 335i to cost more so it doesn't flat out obsolete their own model, and every non-E90 owner (including prospective buyers) wants the 335i to be priced similar to what the 330i costs now.

So true.

After looking through other boards I have read twice that dealers have told people the 335 will be about a $1.5k premium over the 330. With the $1k premium the coupe has over the sedan that would make a total of $2.5k increase over the e90 330. That puts the e92 335 somewhere around $39k base.

Don't everyone get worked up at once This is just rumor but it has as much validity as these $45k-$55k guesses we have read here. For good measure I say BMW will price at $39,700 so they can say it comes in under $40k (for those all-important ‘sports cars under $40K’ test magazines do).

[akhbhaat]

Originally Posted by poldim

Thank you captain obvious.

Didn't you highlight the wrong part?

While my statement does outline the obvious, there's something important there when you read between the lines. If BMW satiates consumer desire, they'll sell that many more cars.

I've already bought two fairly expensive cars which were then significantly upgraded within a year or two of my purchase - with little to no price increase in both circumstances. Progress is a part of life.

[Ethirtynine]

will the 335 sedan and coupe come out the same time?

[E90Fleet]

I love how you guys in the USA complain that a 335i may cost less than what a 325i costs here with no options on it ( no sunroof, no hifi audio, 16" wheels )

I wonder what the USA would do if cars cost the same there as in europe or here

[E90Fleet]

Originally Posted by Ethirtynine

will the 335 sedan and coupe come out the same time?

European launch for coupe is expected around midyear with Sedan 335i comming in September