MOTIV Motorsport/PTF Hardware release

[Allen@MOTIV]

Hey guys, we are thrilled to finally make public the hardware we have been designing and testing of the last ~18 months.


MOTIV Direct drop in LPFP system upgrade. This system will be 100% plug and play. Simply remove your old bucket, drop in the new one(using factory connectors)and run an 8AN line using the routing of the factory hose and you are done. This design will change a little before going into full production.



MOTIV PI fuel system. Makes use of Bosch fuel injectors being driven by the customers choice of options(AEM, proEFI etc.) In this configuration the fuel system can support upwards of 1000hp.







PTF twin disc clutch setup. We are proud to present a twin disc setup we have been working with SPEC to produce and manufacture. Offering a torque rating of +900ftlbs but better drivability than some of the other higher output rated clutch designs currently available.





MOTIV single turbo Kit. This series of pictures shows the progression of the assembly of the manifold and final assembled product. You may be wondering why we went with a bottom mount short runner style manifold and the answer is this: it works the best. We went through designing and testing 7 manifold designs(some just small variations but others complete redesigns) over the course of over a year before finally selecting this design. The great thing about having a fully prepped and dedicated road course/time attack car is that we are able to simulate extended use and wear in a short amount of time. Using a top mount manifold design just simply never worked. Rather than the heat spooling the turbo and then evacuating it would simply radiate in the engine bay creating limp mode inducing oil temps in 2-3 laps and eventually causing valve cover gasket cracking/leaking and other soft part failure. Add to that the 500-600rpm delay in spool compared to using the same turbos in a bottom mount configuration it made the design choice easy.

It is a short runner style manifold but far from just run of the mill stuff. Using relatively large ID runners we are able to maintain flow at higher engine speeds but still have unmatched spool. Using 100% CNC billet material and the best fabrication skills available to finalize and assemble to components means a manifold design that will never crack, leak, warp or otherwise fail.

[Wescuddles]

interesting

[josh135]

Looks nice, hope it's not priced too crazy.

[GR1P]

Now we're talkin'

With the PI injection system, will I finally be able to tune the AFR on my '13 135is without having to rely on a flash that doesnt exist for my DME. Meaning, can I use the AEM or proEFI to fully tune AFR and actually be able to run a large turbo kit.

Stuff looks great!

[mike@x-ph.com]

Nice!!
Are the prices released yet ?

[OzJustin]

Any more details on the turbo specs? Is this for N54 or N55 engines?

[Allen@MOTIV]

Originally Posted by OzJustin

Any more details on the turbo specs? Is this for N54 or N55 engines?

It is N54 and N55 compatible. Turbos will be the Forced Performance HTA series. The 600 kit will be HTA30r, 750 will be HTA35r and the 900 kit will be the HTA37r.

[TZANIDO777]

Originally Posted by Allen@PTF

It is N54 and N55 compatible. Turbos will be the Forced Performance HTA series. The 600 kit will be HTA30r, 750 will be HTA35r and the 900 kit will be the HTA37r.

Will the N55 guys be able to swap back and forth between their stock downpipe and custom downpipe for this kit in order to pass inspection?

[Allen@MOTIV]

Originally Posted by TZANIDO777

Will the N55 guys be able to swap back and forth between their stock downpipe and custom downpipe for this kit in order to pass inspection?

The turbos require a custom fabbed downpipe and the N55 DP will not mate up

[Dr3K0]

WOW!! That is a great manifold design. The turbo kit looks top notch.

Good job guys.

[flzrider]

Looks very nice!

Quick question: Any advantage to using a machined and welded manifold versus a cast piece?

[Allen@MOTIV]

Originally Posted by flzrider

Looks very nice!

Quick question: Any advantage to using a machined and welded manifold versus a cast piece?

Well, there are a couple. The machining and fab work is all done in house through OVERREV fabrications and that means quality control is going to be perfect 100% of the time and there will be dramatically less wait time between batches. Another aspect is that should a small design changes be made it can be done very quickly and with minimal/no reinvestment in tooling.

Another aspect is that pricing is reduced compared to casting. Casting can provide a cheaper method in large enough volumes but at the volume we are expecting machining makes more sense.

[Zombie1]

Any chance we can get an update on the LPFP release my HPFP starting to go figure i might as well put your guys bad boy in while im in there.

[one30five]

very cool. everything looks slick, if Dodson releases DCT clutch packs maybe I can think about going for the power those parts would support

[Allen@MOTIV]

Originally Posted by Zombie1

Any chance we can get an update on the LPFP release my HPFP starting to go figure i might as well put your guys bad boy in while im in there.

We're working toward getting everything together ASAP but it will be a short time before it's available

[iuhutch]

Originally Posted by one30five

very cool. everything looks slick, if Dodson releases DCT clutch packs maybe I can think about going for the power those parts would support

^^This! Assume PTF can control enough in tuning to support these mods? Also, any restriction having this/some of this on a dd? Lastly, any plans to make higher hp supported clutch plates for DCT?

You prevent the rumor mill by not posting premature data, we like this but you were almost too silent by these efforts and we thought all hope was lost! Can n55 internals support this setup? Has that been tested and proven?

Amazing work here very impressed!

[one30five]

Originally Posted by iuhutch

^^This! Assume PTF can control enough in tuning to support these mods? Also, any restriction having this/some of this on a dd? Lastly, any plans to make higher hp supported clutch plates for DCT?

You prevent the rumor mill by not posting premature data, we like this but you were almost too silent by these efforts and we thought all hope was lost! Can n55 internals support this setup? Has that been tested and proven?

Amazing work here very impressed!

I could stare at those manifold/ turbo pics all day.

Not sure about internals handling 900-1000 hp, most people running that kind of power on any platform are upgrading valvetrain/ internals, I would think. But i'm sure as prices start dropping and people start buying PTF/MOTIV might share some advice and their experience.

Regardless, this is excellent news. Allen will you please post that this stuff is N55 compatible on your FB page.... I need jto make some smart ass remarks to a few people just kidding... kind of

[Allen@MOTIV]

Originally Posted by iuhutch

^^This! Assume PTF can control enough in tuning to support these mods? Also, any restriction having this/some of this on a dd? Lastly, any plans to make higher hp supported clutch plates for DCT?

You prevent the rumor mill by not posting premature data, we like this but you were almost too silent by these efforts and we thought all hope was lost! Can n55 internals support this setup? Has that been tested and proven?

Amazing work here very impressed!

The N55 is still comparatively young and new to the HP numbers the N54 has been seeing for ~2 years now. Honestly, the N55 hasn't been tested to anywhere near the extent the N54 has yet and there is no way to know whether it will hold up as well until it is pushed there. However, I don't see any reason to believe it will let us down as long as the tuning is solid.

I'm not ruling out DCT hardware in the future but as of right now we have our hands plenty full with what we are working on now. This set of hardware has been living perfectly happy on a daily driver in Washington DC traffic for a few thousand miles now and has performed flawlessly.

[one30five]

allen - this is off topic, but I sent an email and info request via your website yesterday. if you or Dzenno could call or email me sometime this week i'd appreciate it.

and again - great work!

[Allen@MOTIV]

Originally Posted by one30five

allen - this is off topic, but I sent an email and info request via your website yesterday. if you or Dzenno could call or email me sometime this week i'd appreciate it.

and again - great work!

If you could PM me your email address(or invoice # if you have that yet) it will make picking out your email easier

[Derk1127]

In your testing what kind of longevity were you getting out of the O2 sensors? I've seen many single turbo conversions and they all have to have the O2 sensors pre-turbo, has this not been as big a deal as once thought?

[135Pats]

Originally Posted by Derk1127

In your testing what kind of longevity were you getting out of the O2 sensors? I've seen many single turbo conversions and they all have to have the O2 sensors pre-turbo, has this not been as big a deal as once thought?

Gotta keep the exhaust banks separate for the widebands, hence pre-merge placement.

In the past people were using spacers on the FFTEC kits to keep them from burning up too quickly, but you are right reports of the problem seemed to kinda disappear over night.

Inconel has awesome thermal retention properties so I bet that plays a role in keeping things from getting too toasty.