Car and Driver link on new 335 coupe

Ethirtynine · 03-05-2006, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by E90Fleet

European launch for coupe is expected around midyear with Sedan 335i comming in September

Do you know when they will be launched in US?

E90Fleet · 03-05-2006, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ethirtynine

Do you know when they will be launched in US?

No one has 100% info yet

peakpro · 03-05-2006, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by akhbhaat

Simple fact of the matter is that every 330i owner wants the 335i to cost more so it doesn't flat out obsolete their own model, and every non-E90 owner (including prospective buyers) wants the 335i to be priced similar to what the 330i costs now.

amen

crex · 03-05-2006, 06:27 AM

not me i hope its priced less...

stressdoc · 03-05-2006, 09:31 AM

The BIG worry, from my bullypulpit, is that BMW NA is going to see fit to only put the bi-turbo into the E92, as per DerekS' comments regarding the Canadien 2007 schedule. So we get 325 (E90), 328 (E92), 330 (E90), 335 (E92).

Stuuuupid if it happens.

Why can't BMW NA leave well enough alone and just import the Euro palette with necessary US/CDN regulations?

ABR · 03-05-2006, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by akhbhaat

Simple fact of the matter is that every 330i owner wants the 335i to cost more so it doesn't flat out obsolete their own model

Yes and no. I don't care too much about resale price. I bought this car for having fun driving it, not making great deal in future. +/- few $$ -- big deal...

I also outperform 95% cars on the road with 330i, so what would 335i gives me? I don't think that will be that much of the difference. It is more in YOUR HEAD then in reality.

ABR · 03-05-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by E90Fleet

I love how you guys in the USA complain that a 335i may cost less than what a 325i costs here with no options on it ( no sunroof, no hifi audio, 16" wheels )

I wonder what the USA would do if cars cost the same there as in europe or here

Good point! You need to move to NA from somewhere else to fully appriciate local pricing on many things here. Cars, electronics, computers, real estate name it...

poldim · 03-05-2006, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by akhbhaat

Didn't you highlight the wrong part?

While my statement does outline the obvious, there's something important there when you read between the lines. If BMW satiates consumer desire, they'll sell that many more cars.

I've already bought two fairly expensive cars which were then significantly upgraded within a year or two of my purchase - with little to no price increase in both circumstances. Progress is a part of life.

No, the part I bolded was the part that was obvious. That’s like saying everyone would like <insert whatever people want to buy> to be cheaper than <it currently is/an equal level competitor>.

The three series is a very expensive car for me, but its well justified by the quality of the car that you are getting.

Although BMW's goal is to get new customers and take them away from other companies, if they go too low, the customers that could get angry from these lower prices who already bought the more expensive versions will leave. It’s easier to retain a customer that you already have rather then spend the money on advertising and various other fees to attract new ones.

poldim · 03-05-2006, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ABR

Good point! You need to move to NA from somewhere else to fully appriciate local pricing on many things here. Cars, electronics, computers, real estate name it...

Americans take a lot of what they have for granted. Everywhere I've been that isnt a third world country is at least 2 to 3 times more expensive.

Those that haven't traveled have no idea....

MB330 · 03-05-2006, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by poldim

Americans take a lot of what they have for granted. Everywhere I've been that isnt a third world country is at least 2 to 3 times more expensive.

Those that haven't traveled have no idea....

True

oilbelcher · 03-05-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NIVKI89

True

Exactly right. Living in Europe now, but can't wait to move back eventually. Thats what less restrictive & socialistic governments, and more flexible economies brings you -- competition and more freedom, lower prices....

flipmde786 · 03-05-2006, 01:41 PM

A $42k base price seems too high to me. And knowing BMW, "base" really means "base." Who's gonna buy that? If we remember the competition, the IS350 can be bought loaded for like $42-43k. Who knows what the next G35 will feature under the hood, but as of now it's still a bargain in the segment.

The 3 series prices are climbing too much relative to the competition.

Also, the use of turbos, albeit small turbos, brings questions of long-term reliability.

I'm not trying to make myself feel better about getting a 330, but $42k base is really pushing it for a non-M 3 series.

By the way, I've seen rumors about supercharging the IS350. I don't buy it, but who knows.

stressdoc · 03-05-2006, 04:53 PM

Anyone checked out the concept cars on the Lexus website? Some of them are looking pretty darn interesting. Not that I'm interested in a Lexus, but there is plenty there for BMW to be concerned about in regard to competition for the E92.

David328M-Sport · 03-05-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by E90Fleet

I love how you guys in the USA complain that a 335i may cost less than what a 325i costs here with no options on it ( no sunroof, no hifi audio, 16" wheels )

I wonder what the USA would do if cars cost the same there as in europe or here

Oh yeah and amen to that!!!!

For the price I paid for my 325 here, I could almost buy an M5 in the USA.

My 325 is a WONDERFUL car with more than enough power and torque for decades to come, even though I will update it for the next 3 series in 2012 or thereabouts.

Maybe by then twin turbos, direct injection and other performance enhancing transmission technology will be standard on the base 6 cylinder model, probably hauling the car around with close to 200kw of power.

kdan · 03-05-2006, 05:21 PM

without getting into complex global economic issues: is everything more expensive or just cars?Maybe u guys make more $$$$$$

oilbelcher · 03-05-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kdan

without getting into complex global economic issues: is everything more expensive or just cars?Maybe u guys make more $$$$$$

I am originally from the US and have lived in Europe twice. My current job also requires that I analyze cost-of-living (for consumers) and cost-of-doing business across countries around the world. There are many good resources to see the economic numbers (like the world bank), but in short, it cost a business about 70-80% more to operate in Europe vs. the US (and yes, there are many variations on this). Since businesses must make some profit to survive, they have to pass this on to consumers. Thus, the cost of living is similar. Government structure explains some of this, when you dive into the numbers. To validate, my US company who pays in US Dollar, has to uplift my paycheck by 80% for me to live in Europe, so I can purchase the same amount of goods had I remained in the US...

I was frustrated to see that my fully loaded G35 new cost less than my two year old (but low milage) 320td compact I bought when I moved to Geneva. And gas that was 2-3 times the price per unit... Fewer potholes in the roads though -- so you can really drive fast on the autobahn.

ABR · 03-05-2006, 05:55 PM

At least Europeans has looong vacation time. Is it like 40 days in Germany?

blackE90 · 03-05-2006, 06:14 PM

I wonder if BMW tuners will release larger turbos to replace the smaller turbos in the 335i...if so things could get mighty interesting

that is if anyone's willing to absorb the cost of a voided warranty for more hp

sdorn · 03-05-2006, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by blackE90

I wonder if BMW tuners will release larger turbos to replace the smaller turbos in the 335i...if so things could get mighty interesting

that is if anyone's willing to absorb the cost of a voided warranty for more hp

You can bet that tuners will offer bigger turbos, and people will be more than happy to install them in their cars. People that can afford to spend $10k+ on modding their cars don't necessarily need the warranty.

Hawkeye3 · 03-05-2006, 07:15 PM

If cars are more expensive in Europe, why is ED cheaper?

db17k · 03-05-2006, 07:21 PM

i'm not taking the time to read through this whole thread but if the car and driver article is true it this picture would be supporting it's story as far as the 335i badge dropping the whole ci

RichReg · 03-05-2006, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye3

If cars are more expensive in Europe, why is ED cheaper?

E.D. has nothing to do with buying a European spec-car.

It's cheaper because once you take delivery of the car in
Europe, BMW doesn't have to pay any import duties on the car like they normally do
when they bring new cars over here for sale.
It is technically a used car when it gets here, so BMW passes this savings on to you.

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stressdoc Moderator 618 Rep 10,855 Posts Drives: BMW i8; Toy 4runner TRD pro Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Waco TX iTrader: (0)	The BIG worry, from my bullypulpit, is that BMW NA is going to see fit to only put the bi-turbo into the E92, as per DerekS' comments regarding the Canadien 2007 schedule. So we get 325 (E90), 328 (E92), 330 (E90), 335 (E92). Stuuuupid if it happens. Why can't BMW NA leave well enough alone and just import the Euro palette with necessary US/CDN regulations?
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flipmde786 Lieutenant 25 Rep 513 Posts Drives: 330xi Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Long Island, NY iTrader: (0)	A $42k base price seems too high to me. And knowing BMW, "base" really means "base." Who's gonna buy that? If we remember the competition, the IS350 can be bought loaded for like $42-43k. Who knows what the next G35 will feature under the hood, but as of now it's still a bargain in the segment. The 3 series prices are climbing too much relative to the competition. Also, the use of turbos, albeit small turbos, brings questions of long-term reliability. I'm not trying to make myself feel better about getting a 330, but $42k base is really pushing it for a non-M 3 series. By the way, I've seen rumors about supercharging the IS350. I don't buy it, but who knows. __________________ 2006 330xi [TiAg] [Black Leather] [Aluminum] [STEP] [ZPP] [ZSP] [ZCW] [CA] [35% tint] [Blacklines] [OEM Strut Bar] [OEM Spoiler]
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