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      03-26-2006, 10:13 PM   #23
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its called planned obsolescence. You'll get used to it. Nothing different than the 328i e46 getting pushed aside by the 330i. I've lived that one and going to wait for a while to get the 335si. As far as M badging, or the 'M'. You can bet it will be 60k by the time you option it out. The new M will compete with the 911. Thats just my opinion but if the 335 is 305 hp I assume it will start at 47k or so. BMW is less concerned about your 'feelings' and more concerned about getting your $$$.

There's absolutely NO WAY the 335 will start at $47k. NO WAY. The si maybe since it will have more HP than the e46 M3 did (340 according to OP) but I'll bet you any amount you want that the 335 starts at several grand lower than $47k.

$47k would make absolutely no sense at all. For $50k, there are NUMEROUS other options out there where you get a lot more for your money. And you're basically conceding the $35-40k, coupe market to Lexus and Infiniti...a market that BMW has dominated in the past.

Some have said that the 335 will start at around $42k, and even that's severl grand too high.
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      03-26-2006, 10:23 PM   #24
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My guess is $38K tops.
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      03-26-2006, 10:26 PM   #25
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This thread just got me really upset. I thought when I put down my money for the E92 335i I was going to be getting the best 3 series you can get thats not an M3. But a 335si is going to come out less than a year later! Are you kidding me!
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      03-26-2006, 10:27 PM   #26
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Well according to the Car & Driver article, they're going to release the coupe in 3 variations PRIOR to the 335si talked about here (which wasn't mentioned).

C&D is estimating that therefore, the 330 will be the coupe that costs about $38-39k, with the 335i costing around $40+k. If they really are coming out with the 330 as a coupe too, then I can see the 335 costing the $42k that others have guessed at.
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Is there going to be a 335i or 335si sedan?
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You should just buy what's confirmed NOW.

Putting deposits on a pie-in-the-sky-rumour-car is plain daft. Just putting money in the dealers bank account for nothing.

Anyhow, any 335i would be an addition to the range not a replacement. The si variant probably won't be used here, doesn't make sense. The 'si' was used on the Z4 because that model spanned the introduction of the new all-alloy engines and they needed to differentiate between new and old.

Seems wierd that the US 325i is a 3 litre engine detuned, instead of a 2.5litre block like we get. Why do they do that?
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Seems wierd that the US 325i is a 3 litre engine detuned, instead of a 2.5litre block like we get. Why do they do that?
To pass emissions standards I believe.
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I was told there will be 335si coupe and 335si cabrio. No info on sedan & touring. Also that only EU version is in the work - development deadline same as for E93 cabrio (Summer 2006). Possible market launch in Spring 2007 - like e93 cabrio. E93 cabrio production starts in December 2006.

No US version of 335si as yet in the work - a possibility that US version work starts when EU version is finished (Summer 2006).

335si will come with uptuned N54 bi-turbo engine with 245kW, and 7-speed dual-clutch DCT 436 gearbox.
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335si will come with uptuned N54 bi-turbo engine with 245kW, and 7-speed dual-clutch DCT 436 gearbox.
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      03-27-2006, 10:29 AM   #32
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      03-27-2006, 10:32 AM   #33
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335si will come with uptuned N54 bi-turbo engine with 245kW, and 7-speed dual-clutch DCT 436 gearbox.

i just hope that the dct is offered in the 335i.
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      03-27-2006, 09:43 PM   #34
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Interesting, thanks..


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amdmaxx, the 335si is supposed to be kicked up a notch from the 335i. Curious that BMW would market so many models in the sporty niche.
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      03-30-2006, 05:50 PM   #35
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335 for nearly 50k? I may very well just get the Lexus GS...
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335 for nearly 50k? I may very well just get the Lexus GS...


Are you kidding? A GS? Maybe you're not really in the market for a 3 then. The GS and then 3 don't even have the same target group.

I'm really not trying to bash you or anything but what the GS offers you and what a 3, particularly the 335, offers you are COMPLETELY different.

The GS is a big luxury car with power thrown in under the hood (at least the V8 version). Performance wise it doesn't provide the handling, driving fun or general performance that a 335 would. On the flip side, a 335 can't hope to provide the comfort and luxury of a GS.

I'd understand if you said Porsche or something but c'mon a GS?
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      03-30-2006, 06:28 PM   #37
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Yup, it's obviously different from the 3 and in my opinion, the 3 is NOT worth 50k. Unless it's an M3.

I didn't say they were the same, and never implied it. I'm just implying that with 50k, you have quite a wide range of options. You can replace the GS in my post with a Vette (which I would also easily take over a 335 if it's near 50k). Then you can complain again that the Vette isn't in the same class as the 3.

So cease the unneccesary lucubration.
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      03-30-2006, 06:34 PM   #38
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Yea I understand what you're saying. I totally agree that I wouldn't want to pay $50k for a non ///M car.

I just found it weird that you brought up the GS as an alternative you'd rather have at $50k. Like I said, it's not like it's a car that does what the 335 does, but better (like an ///M3 for example). The GS isn't even worth $50k either in my opinion. I'd sooner pay $50k for a 335si (assuming it has the specs that people have said) than a GS. But maybe that's just me.

Anyway, like I said, I agree with you about the price of the 335. But keep in mind that at this point it's just meaningless speculation. Nobody really knows what's going on or how much anything will cost.
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The new M3 will be a real killer.

BMW are aware Audi has made an incredible RS4, and that they will develop even better RS5 (based on upcoming A5 coupe).

So the M engineers have put all the human resources & know-how into M3 development. The new M3 will be a KILLER. The best M3 ever - and a challenging benchmark for Audi.

335i and 335si will be just teasers. The philosophy behind is: to make people wonder how good must the M3 be if 335(s)i is already so good.

335si coupe will come in 2007 - supposedly along E93's launch - with dual-clutch transmission and 245kW (333PS/330hp), M sport package etc.

335si coupe coming in Spring 2007 could mean M3 is coming in Fall or even in Spring 2008.
I hope you're right. I still think the E30 is the best version ever made, followed closely by the E36. I think the E46 version is crap - a bloated grand touring boat which is not worthy of the M3 title...even if it technically is the fastest version in a straight line or even around a track.

If BMW manages to reduce the weight of the E90/E92 or at least stop the bleeding, that might be enough for me.
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Dear Wyrm11,

I 'speculate' about 47k. HOWEVER, keep in mind that a loaded 330 goes for around 45-6k MSRP. Given that, and given that the 335 will have 20% more hp, what makes you think it will start at 42? Are you crazy?? It will have the same horsepower as the current e46 M3. What is the 'starting' price of the current M3? (ahem, Forty what??? thats right, 47) The M3 is going up-market and consequently, consider that the start point for the M3 sedan will be in excess of 50k. It will be MORE than an equally optioned S4 as Audi is the 'bargain' of the marques. The S4 STARTS at 47k and is a total and complete pig gas-wise, handling and throttle response. So, at BEST I foresee the 335 STARTING at 45k with leatherette, which basically means, with leather and wood interior, count on 47k. That is the basis for my number. Read it, memorize it and weep. I bet it starts at 44.9k. Just like a 323 starts at some ridiculously advertised price when we all know that with anything optioned it will be 3k above 'starting at' price.

Keep in mind, I have no care for 'coupe' prices and market segment. BMW consistently is more per hp than the competition. Period. So, I revise my statement, 45k, MAYBE. Why would they offer a better handling car, with BMW name, better handling and better service than the S4, for a cheaper 'starting at' price??? Makes no sense. Typically they are 'more' and justify the price difference as 'owning BMW' etc. I still do not see your logic. BMW doesn't compete with 'like' price point. It simpy doesn't happen in the current market. They offer BMW experience for a premium over the competition.
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Additionally, if you have had the opportunity to own Lexus you'll understand why they have such a good repor (sic) with their owners. The GS 430 is a superb package for the money, reliability, service and performance. Their interiors are among the best. Given, if size is a consideration the 430 it is. But for pure driving experience, BMW wins. Wife had a GS3oo and 400...great car, great everything. We bought a Touareg (v8 pig, btw, VW service is on average poor, at best) for our newborn daughter, house reno etc. We're considering going back to the GS for its overall package. Regardless, once a Lexus owner, you'll be back. I promise.
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I 'speculate' about 47k. HOWEVER, keep in mind that a loaded 330 goes for around 45-6k MSRP. Given that, and given that the 335 will have 20% more hp, what makes you think it will start at 42? Are you crazy?? It will have the same horsepower as the current e46 M3. What is the 'starting' price of the current M3? (ahem, Forty what??? thats right, 47) The M3 is going up-market and consequently, consider that the start point for the M3 sedan will be in excess of 50k. It will be MORE than an equally optioned S4 as Audi is the 'bargain' of the marques. The S4 STARTS at 47k and is a total and complete pig gas-wise, handling and throttle response. So, at BEST I foresee the 335 STARTING at 45k with leatherette, which basically means, with leather and wood interior, count on 47k. That is the basis for my number. Read it, memorize it and weep. I bet it starts at 44.9k. Just like a 323 starts at some ridiculously advertised price when we all know that with anything optioned it will be 3k above 'starting at' price.

Keep in mind, I have no care for 'coupe' prices and market segment. BMW consistently is more per hp than the competition. Period. So, I revise my statement, 45k, MAYBE. Why would they offer a better handling car, with BMW name, better handling and better service than the S4, for a cheaper 'starting at' price??? Makes no sense. Typically they are 'more' and justify the price difference as 'owning BMW' etc. I still do not see your logic. BMW doesn't compete with 'like' price point. It simpy doesn't happen in the current market. They offer BMW experience for a premium over the competition.

Uh...maybe you need to go back and re-read my posts instead of just rambling incoherently. I said the 335i would hopefully start at less than $42k. The 335si could very well start at $47k. The 335i will reportedly have around 304hp...NOT "the same horsepower than the e46 M3" like you're saying above (unless 304 is the same as 333 to you...which would explain a lot). The 335si is a completely different animal and I haven't speculated at all on how much that will cost. You DO understand that there are TWO 335 models that are being speculated on in this thread right?

So maybe it's YOU who is "crazy" and needs to work on your logic...or at least reading comprehension skills.

The 335i will not START at $47k. That's sheer absurdity.
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local dealer e-mailed me and said the turbo would show up in the coupe this spring, and the sedan in september. no word on pricing, but he said a turbo AWD wasn't in the cards, at least for '07
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The new M3 will be a real killer.

BMW are aware Audi has made an incredible RS4, and that they will develop even better RS5 (based on upcoming A5 coupe).

So the M engineers have put all the human resources & know-how into M3 development. The new M3 will be a KILLER. The best M3 ever - and a challenging benchmark for Audi.

335i and 335si will be just teasers. The philosophy behind is: to make people wonder how good must the M3 be if 335(s)i is already so good.

335si coupe will come in 2007 - supposedly along E93's launch - with dual-clutch transmission and 245kW (333PS/330hp), M sport package etc.

335si coupe coming in Spring 2007 could mean M3 is coming in Fall or even in Spring 2008.
Yeah it is going to be hard to leave Germany without buying an M3. I'm slated to leave in 2009, and if I can afford it I think i'm going to go for it. When else will I get a chance to buy one for less than MSRP with no taxes?

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