2015 Stang or 135i

[BMWX1-35i]

Originally Posted by cammula

you're seriously out for blood today....

Another gofer comes out of their hole..

[edisapimp]

Originally Posted by mr.fabulous

Can I put a battery in a Mustang without requiring $500 and an afternoon at my dealer? That would be nice...

hehehehehehheheh +1

[cammula]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Obviously someone is having their emotions thrown into this. Simple discussion turns sour, yet again.

I don't see where you personally insulted his car. I say you called out a particular chassis but not a someones personal car who they had put considerable time and effort into.

[cammula]

Originally Posted by 135droptop

Another gofer comes out of their hole..

you're a trip

[BMWX1-35i]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Obviously someone is having their emotions thrown into this. Simple discussion turns sour, yet again.

I have no emotions affecting my comments if you're referring to me. Just telling it like it is. Too many people read crap on the internet and think it's as fact with no real seat time or details to know that their talking about. Then you have the people just tossing their own comments in to stir things up some more because they have nothing better to do.

[BMWX1-35i]

Originally Posted by cammula

I don't see where you personally insulted his car. I say you called out a particular chassis but not a someones personal car who they had put considerable time and effort into.

What do you think Piece of crap is saying??

for what its worth, this was my mustang I just sold 6 months ago, total investment was $50K including the cost of the car.


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Gates Serpentine Belt

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Pipes Custom Exhaust
Stainless steel tuned headers

Saleen Watts Link Suspension

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Tokico
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Tinted windows

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14 inch Baer front brake kit with EBC red stuff pads

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Stainless steel braided brake lines

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new Tremic T56 Magnum 6 speed

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Electric front licence plate
Electric exhaust cutouts
4:10 FR rear gears
Moser Axles

[cammula]

Originally Posted by 135droptop

What do you think Piece of crap is saying??

for what its worth, this was my mustang I just sold 6 months ago, total investment was $50 including the cost of the car.


UPGRADES
Edelbrock E-force Supercharger 1185

X Calibrator 3 Tuner with JDM Dyno tune loaded

Edelbrock Cold Air Kit 15808

60lb Fuel Injectors

Ford Racing GT500 Fuel Pump

NGK 12mm Spark Plugs

E-Force 3.25 Competition Pulley

Gates Serpentine Belt

SOS Dual Gauge Pod

Autometer Digital Air/Fuel Gauge

Autometer Cobalt Boost Gauge

Pipes Custom Exhaust
Stainless steel tuned headers

Saleen Watts Link Suspension

BMR Driveshaft Safety Loop

Eibach Lowering Springs
Tokico
D-Spec Adjustable Shocks

Billet Hood Strut Kit

Tinted windows

Glove box trunk release

Carbon Fiber Radiator Shroud cover

Chrome interior trim

Eleanor grill with HID’s

Shelby Stripes

Custom hockey stick stripes

Battery relocated to trunk

Whiteline rear sway bar

Bullet wheels 9" front and 10 rear with new tires

14 inch Baer front brake kit with EBC red stuff pads

Kenwood 7 inch head unit
600 Watt amp for speakers
800 Watt sub in the trunk

HDMI interface kit for iPhone 

Stainless steel braided brake lines

BMR radiator support / sway bar delete

ATI balancer

Mishimoto aluminum radiator

new Tremic T56 Magnum 6 speed

3 1/2 inch aluminum drive shaft

Electric front licence plate
Electric exhaust cutouts
4:10 FR rear gears
Moser Axles

that thing looks like a beast.

[mr.fabulous]

A guy can barely buy a decent meal for $50...

[BMWX1-35i]

It was.. Crazy fast. Scared the crap out of everyone I took for a ride. Lol

[BMWX1-35i]

Originally Posted by mr.fabulous

A guy can barely buy a decent meal for $50...

Lol. Forgot the K

[Vigilante375]

I know that S197s can be made to be road course worthy and do well at it. Just because I "dont have seat time" doesn't mean I don't know what those S197s are and are not capable of. Reading from the internet from people who own the car tells me all I need to know. Even with my stock 135i walking 2 stock S197s easily.

The 3v 4.6l is junk. Throw tons of money to make it a bit faster and still get beat by bolt-on 3rd gen f-bodies.

[MuNkY6913]

Originally Posted by 135droptop

for what its worth, this was my mustang I just sold 6 months ago, total investment was $50K including the cost of the car.

Would love to pull up next to one of these on the highway and see what would happen with a 55 roll. Win or loosen still want to do it. Maybe I'll find one next summer. Last 5.0 couldn't keep up. Never found out if he had anything done. My total is around $42K with purchase of car from factory, as it sits now. Can't imagine what it would do with another $8k to dump into the Turbos and drive train. One day I'll find out. Car does look pretty sweet though. Looks beefy.

[128Convertibleguy]

Originally Posted by NYHoustonman

This is speculation. The Mustang is capable of more lateral G on a skidpad and would certainly be faster around a track given that and the straight line performance, but I don't know that this - IRS or no - means it 'handles better.'

I said dead stock, remember. That means the 135 is on run flats, and has a soggy rear subframe moving around. The Mustang has a track that's about 5 inches wider, front and rear. Game over. Here's what Car and Driver had to say.

"Thanks to the stiffened front end, the steering wheel twitches in your hands, communicating textures, undulations, and grip levels as you drive down the road. Turn the wheel and the car responds as quickly as if you’d poked it with a needle. Wheel and body control are just as tight. Dive into a series of challenging turns in the Mustang and you’re not driving a car, you’re wearing wheels. "

Modded, the cars relative speed/handling is a function of the mods. But the Mustang has more potential.

As far as what BMW to compare the Mustang to, the original poster was asking about a 2011 135 versus a 2015 Mustang GT. That comparison is easy.

All of which is not to say the Mustang is a better car in every way. Just faster and better handling.

[mr.fabulous]

I'm 55yo, for me to climb out of a Mustang (speed and power and all) would really look *stupid*. Can I get a 28yo hottie to go with the car, too, please?

[MuNkY6913]

Originally Posted by cammula

Hi all,
I recently bought a 2011 135i with under 10k miles on it and its been a great car. I had Ag m590s made for it and put on a cold air. The wheels rub and cause the suspension to unseat itself if i hit a bump to hard. Its something that can easily be fixed by rolling my fenders. Anyway I looked up the current trade in value of my car and its dropped a ton . Anyway Im considering cutting my losses now and jumping into a lease on a 2015 mustang GT it wouldn't be as optioned out as the 1er interior wise but the number are hard to beat. I have quite a bit into my 1 in just the wheels alone so Im debating whether if I should just stick it out I know its a great car just wondering if anyone had any ideas for what I should do. Also if anyone would be interested in 19x8.5 Ag m590's pm me.
Thanks.

Find a used JB4, clip it on and drive it for a couple weeks. Then take the car to test drive the mustang. Give it a good test drive. Feel it out real good. Then get back in your 1. I've said this before on another thread. If at any time on the way home your thinking I wish I was driving the mustang, then you have your answer. Definitely feel how the 1 is with the ~$430 add on. The power increase is great and the features are pretty cool too. Even with just intake and exhaust. Your in cali so there's tons if 1ers around you that would probably let you take a ride in one that's fbo with a tune. All are simple to do and fairly cheap. Turns it into a completely different car. Have to see every thing you'd be leaving behind. Specially since you probably purchased the 1 for less than or around $25k. If I were local I'd let you take mine for a ride and even take it to test drive the mustang. I think that's the best way to find your answer.

[128Convertibleguy]

Originally Posted by MuNkY6913

Find a used JB4, clip it on and drive it for a couple weeks. Then take the car to test drive the mustang. Give it a good test drive. Feel it out real good. Then get back in your 1. I've said this before on another thread. If at any time on the way home your thinking I wish I was driving the mustang, then you have your answer. Definitely feel how the 1 is with the ~$430 add on. The power increase is great and the features are pretty cool too. Even with just intake and exhaust. Your in cali so there's tons if 1ers around you that would probably let you take a ride in one that's fbo with a tune. All are simple to do and fairly cheap. Turns it into a completely different car. Have to see every thing you'd be leaving behind. Specially since you probably purchased the 1 for less than or around $25k. If I were local I'd let you take mine for a ride and even take it to test drive the mustang. I think that's the best way to find your answer.

Fine, but then he gets to drive the Mustang with the performance package.

"The GT Performance Package Includes:
• Strut-tower brace
• Larger radiator
• Unique chassis tuning
• Upsized rear sway bar
• Heavy-duty front springs
• Instrument panel appliques are Engine Turn aluminum
• Interior gauge pack (oil pressure and vacuum)
• K-brace
• Brembo™ 6-piston front brake calipers with larger rotors
• Unique 19”x 9” (front) 19”x 9.5” (rear) Ebony Black aluminum wheels
• 255/40R19 (front) 275/40R19 (rear) summer only tires
• Unique stability control, EPAS and ABS tuning
• 3.73 TORSEN® rear axle
• Spoiler delete "

Turns it into a completely different car. Fair is fair <grin>.

[128Convertibleguy]

Originally Posted by mr.fabulous

I'm 55yo, for me to climb out of a Mustang (speed and power and all) would really look *stupid*. Can I get a 28yo hottie to go with the car, too, please?

I'm substantially older, and until a couple of years ago, used to climb out of a convertible f-body. The usual response from the viewing public was "nice car". Mind you, I get that response from the BMW, too.

[BrokenVert]

I really don't understand why I'm not allowed to like other cars in addition to my BMW. Can somebody please explain it to me?

[MuNkY6913]

Originally Posted by 128Convertibleguy

Fine, but then he gets to drive the Mustang with the performance package.

"The GT Performance Package Includes:
• Strut-tower brace
• Larger radiator
• Unique chassis tuning
• Upsized rear sway bar
• Heavy-duty front springs
• Instrument panel appliques are Engine Turn aluminum
• Interior gauge pack (oil pressure and vacuum)
• K-brace
• Brembo™ 6-piston front brake calipers with larger rotors
• Unique 19”x 9” (front) 19”x 9.5” (rear) Ebony Black aluminum wheels
• 255/40R19 (front) 275/40R19 (rear) summer only tires
• Unique stability control, EPAS and ABS tuning
• 3.73 TORSEN® rear axle
• Spoiler delete "

Turns it into a completely different car. Fair is fair <grin>.

Doesn't matter what package he test drives. Make sure it's the one you would possibly buy. Then afterwards think is it really worth how ever much the lease is going to cost a month. When 4 or 5 maybe 6 months of lease payments would get the 1 full bolt on and almost to a turbo upgrade if your a diy'er. Which isn't hard. I would say at even a purchase price with the 1er at $25k it would only take 4-5k to get full bolt on with turbo upgrade. That's $29-30k for the 1, then another 3-4k for suspension. That's $33-34k for something that would probably out perform the Gt with what ever package you want to get. I say probably because I've done 0 research on the new mustang. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. My personal preference would be a FULLY modified 1er over the new Gt for around the same price.

[ShocknAwe]

I love how folks insist on the "stock for stock" argument. Makes my day every time.

On another note:
What's the harm in liking more than one car? I had a heavily modded 5.0 (badged anyways) chase me down in traffic the other day, not sure what year exactly, we raced, and I pulled on him. We gave eachother the thumbs up and rode off. His car sounded and looked GREAT. Not sure I'd have one, but I liked it well enough. Beast of a car in pretty much every way.

[128Convertibleguy]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

I love how folks insist on the "stock for stock" argument. Makes my day every time.

I don't insist on it. I do insist, that if you mod your car your way, I get to mod mine my way. That discussion is endless, stock for stock is just, at least, defined.

You can always take the 5 liter, wide track, big wheel well Mustang farther than you can take a 135. After it's been around for awhile, there will be far more mods for it, from cosmetic to full race stuff, at cheaper prices. Just a market thing.

[NYHoustonman]

Originally Posted by 128Convertibleguy

I said dead stock, remember. That means the 135 is on run flats, and has a soggy rear subframe moving around. The Mustang has a track that's about 5 inches wider, front and rear. Game over. Here's what Car and Driver had to say.

"Thanks to the stiffened front end, the steering wheel twitches in your hands, communicating textures, undulations, and grip levels as you drive down the road. Turn the wheel and the car responds as quickly as if you’d poked it with a needle. Wheel and body control are just as tight. Dive into a series of challenging turns in the Mustang and you’re not driving a car, you’re wearing wheels. "

Modded, the cars relative speed/handling is a function of the mods. But the Mustang has more potential.

As far as what BMW to compare the Mustang to, the original poster was asking about a 2011 135 versus a 2015 Mustang GT. That comparison is easy.

All of which is not to say the Mustang is a better car in every way. Just faster and better handling.

The stock configuration of the 135i was most definitely compromised by the tire setup, I'll grant you that. The early impressions I had read regarding the 2015 Mustang were that it wasn't revolutionary - that it needed more than an IRS setup to be a true driver's car stock, or to compare with the Camaro SS 1LE - so that quote from Car and Driver is certainly news to me.

All of that said, I don't know what to think of journalists sometimes. I have a hard time believing the subframe on the 1-series is that compromised (stock) compared to a (stock) GT, given that the GT has always been somewhat wallowly and soft - in fact, I've read other reviews of the new Mustang that note exactly that. I know, also, that Road and Track loved the 135is, which at least has the linear springs that the earlier 135i's did not have. And although the Mustang is wider, it's also quite a bit larger and heavier. Maybe it's a matter of expectations at a given price point?

I guess I'm hesitant to take the word of a single journalist, so maybe I need to drive the car before forming an opinion. More realistically, I'd give the GT350 a test drive when they start showing up. I'm super excited about that car... America is making some truly exciting cars these days. I just haven't *read* enough just yet to make me believe that the new Mustang would be any more at home on a twisty back road than the 1-series stock. Mods are, I'm sure, cheaper on the Mustang, but the 135i is a great platform as well. Minus tire size limitations, anyway, but I'm not after a car that does nothing but grip - I want to be able to play with the car's balance. You can throw huge tires on any of a number of cars and achieve that kind of result.