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      01-29-2014, 11:07 AM   #45
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Well I'm only $300 away from my tune. One more month and it's done! I finally got an email back this morning from evolve and he's giving me a really good discount.
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Don't you have to mail your ecu to turner though?
Yes....I've got other vehicles to use while he has the computer...
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AA only charges $100 to upgrade to their headers/offroad tune. he's adding $50 on top of that.

For comparisons sake i paid

$280 shipped for my manifold+both disa motors
$700 for my AA tune(including header tune)- I got it on sale for $200 off the simon tool.
$750 for my maple ridge headers including the ceramic coating
That's for used parts, right?

Is AA the guy in Miami?....that might work out for me....

Give me a link for those maple syrup headers....
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Parts prices fluctuate depending on were from, and when you buy them. I got my disa manifold for $100. Just depends.
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That's for used parts, right?

Is AA the guy in Miami?....that might work out for me....

Give me a link for those maple syrup headers....
The manifold was the only used part, tune and headers were brand new. AA is active autowerke in miami. Mapleridge the the name of a member on here who ran a set of 15 headers and sold them. I don't know if he still has any but feel free to send him a PM and he'll help youout.
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Thanks for the info...don't care about the manifold, but I want new DISA valves...check YouTube for all the videos of people complaining about noisy DISA valves...
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Just check them once you get it. Easy enough.
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Do you see any threads on here from people with a 128i and one of the tunes?
Ah I misread you there stiggy. I read: No one there has a tune for them. :P

Anywho, problem solved I guess. Evolve it is.

(BTW, i tried searching the german forum for a solution but as of yet, no luck)
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Yes....I've got other vehicles to use while he has the computer...
What if you want to go back to stock? What if the dealership updates your cars software and you lose your tune?
Aren't you pretty much screwed then?

Evolve or Active are the only options in my opinion. Evolve just requires some patience, they have given me updates almost every week or every other week letting me know they were working on the tune or sending me a new one.
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What if you want to go back to stock? What if the dealership updates your cars software and you lose your tune?
Aren't you pretty much screwed then?

Evolve or Active are the only options in my opinion. Evolve just requires some patience, they have given me updates almost every week or every other week letting me know they were working on the tune or sending me a new one.
Well, this is all stuff I was asking about....I kinda like that AA is in Miami, that would work good for me.

I had my M roadster for 11 years...it was only at the dealer for free oil changes....after that, it never saw the dealership.....
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Still nut swinging on Evolve that made 0 ppwer at peak over stock. Get AA, they actually haveproven gains, Evolve is trash in book.
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Still nut swinging on Evolve that made 0 ppwer at peak over stock. Get AA, they actually haveproven gains, Evolve is trash in book.
You could try posting in a fashion that does not make you sound like a low rent knuckle dragger. Probably more likely to be taken seriously.
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Still nut swinging on Evolve that made 0 ppwer at peak over stock. Get AA, they actually haveproven gains, Evolve is trash in book.
Got any proof? Your the first to talk negatively about evolve. I'm curious to see stock, evolve, aa graphs side by side. From what I'm tracking you get around 260 hp with each tune, that's a 30hp increase, and you get more power throughout the curve? Biggest difference I've seen is the disa bumps are smoother with evolve.
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Got any proof? Your the first to talk negatively about evolve. I'm curious to see stock, evolve, aa graphs side by side. From what I'm tracking you get around 260 hp with each tune, that's a 30hp increase, and you get more power throughout the curve? Biggest difference I've seen is the disa bumps are smoother with evolve.
How about this - compile all of their dynos on the N51/52 engines here and let's compare them to the numerous AA dynos. I personally have a OE's tune which dynoed a 'amazing' 6whp over stock -



And here is Andrey's Dyno of Evolve vs stock tune

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How about this - compile all of their dynos on the N51/52 engines here and let's compare them to the numerous AA dynos. I personally have a OE's tune which dynoed a 'amazing' 6whp over stock -

And here is Andrey's Dyno of Evolve vs stock tune
Which was both inside the adaptation period and using the wrong octane for which he was tuned. Despite that, it is within the margin of error for being equal to AA with the same mods and primary cat delete.

Regardless of any of that, this would be significantly outside the norm for Evolve if they weren't the leader in terms of legitimate tunes.
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Which was both inside the adaptation period and using the wrong octane for which he was tuned. Despite that, it is within the margin of error for being equal to AA with the same mods and primary cat delete.

Regardless of any of that, this would be significantly outside the norm for Evolve if they weren't the leader in terms of legitimate tunes.
Bull - I dynoed 3 different intakes back to back, and they all showed distinct gains and changes in the powerband, with no time to "adapt" And he used the 'right' octane: regardless of what the tuner says, the car isn't going to make 15whp less because he used 93 octane instead of 91. It's ridiculous that you would suggest as such just to defend a brand you have no vested interest in...or do you?

Evolve is one step above garbage in my book, and will remain that way until I can see something tangible that justifies the exorbitant price they are offering for their glorified PBX.
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Bull - I dynoed 3 different intakes back to back, and they all showed distinct gains and changes in the powerband, with no time to "adapt" And he used the 'right' octane: regardless of what the tuner says, the car isn't going to make 15whp less because he used 93 octane instead of 91. It's ridiculous that you would suggest as such just to defend a brand you have no vested interest in...or do you?

Evolve is one step above garbage in my book, and will remain that way until I can see something tangible that justifies the exorbitant price they are offering for their glorified PBX.
It would be hard to run a company when I live on the other side of an ocean from them.

Here is something tangible for you. Three different platforms from a variety of ages of BMW all being tuned thousands of miles from an Evolve facility. This help?

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e39...m5-vodyks.html
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Interesting, the evolve map show was without DISA. Evolve admits to very small gains (10-15 hp) on their stage 1 non disa tune. With disa it's a 30+ hp gain over stock. The AA Tune without DISA is similar in gains (10-15hp) over stock. Remember the N51 has disa but less compression, and it gets a 50 hp gain over stock. N52 with the disa should make more power with the DISA since it has more compression. Higher compression yield the greater potential for power. Since I haven't seen a n52 with disa manifold dyno graph ( I don't think there is one) I can't show proof, but it should make ~ 10 more hp than the n51.
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Best part I have a contact at DC auto sports in Nuremberg that is going to dyno the car after the disa and tune. 4 runs for 50€. I won't have a before and after but we will know how this swap goes on stock 128i manifolds.
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Bull - I dynoed 3 different intakes back to back, and they all showed distinct gains and changes in the powerband, with no time to "adapt" And he used the 'right' octane: regardless of what the tuner says, the car isn't going to make 15whp less because he used 93 octane instead of 91. It's ridiculous that you would suggest as such just to defend a brand you have no vested interest in...or do you?

Evolve is one step above garbage in my book, and will remain that way until I can see something tangible that justifies the exorbitant price they are offering for their glorified PBX.
So...

AA with secondary cats removed and 93 octane
vs
Evolve with standard catted exhaust and 91 octane

Both make very similar power... and Evolve is crap?

I'll have what you're drinking!
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Interesting, the evolve map show was without DISA. Evolve admits to very small gains (10-15 hp) on their stage 1 non disa tune. With disa it's a 30+ hp gain over stock. The AA Tune without DISA is similar in gains (10-15hp) over stock. Remember the N51 has disa but less compression, and it gets a 50 hp gain over stock. N52 with the disa should make more power with the DISA since it has more compression. Higher compression yield the greater potential for power. Since I haven't seen a n52 with disa manifold dyno graph ( I don't think there is one) I can't show proof, but it should make ~ 10 more hp than the n51.
If the 128i's only difference from the 125i is the DISA (which I think it is) I would definitely advise you to go German. Virtually every tuner is guaranteeing 272 crankHP. I did it in Holland and I did 228HP at the wheels through auto tranny on worn rear tires and on a hot day.

Go and make those calls man! There is absolutely nothing to lose!

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It would be hard to run a company when I live on the other side of an ocean from them.

Here is something tangible for you. Three different platforms from a variety of ages of BMW all being tuned thousands of miles from an Evolve facility. This help?

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e39...m5-vodyks.html
I live on the opposite end of the USA compared to OE tuning - I still made power, but not as much as advertised.

I don't care what Evolve has done, I care what they are doing - that tune isn't impressive for the work done on THIS platform.

Do you know WHY I went with OE instead of AA? My old M52TU Z3 had a SHARK INJECTOR flash - one of the oldest reflashes on the market. AA is known in BMW circles for years, including not just software tunes, but hardware like exhaust and superchargers. If someone knows something about tuning, it would surely be them, right? When a member compared AA's tune vs the Shark on a full bolt on car (including Shrick Camshafts) the Shark put down more power at every RPM. Why did I change my mind? Active hasn't been shy about dynos or support (which is based here in the USA) and unlike Evolve, they actually show gains in independent dynos - I'm convinced they are the best tuner on this platform until I can see some verification otherwise.
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