2 series Coupe info!?

[Jason]

Originally Posted by RPM90

Does anyone have any new information on the 1 series coupe replacement, the "2 series" coupe?

It seems ages ago when we heard that BMW will be making a 1 series couple replacement that will be called the "2 series".
Since that announcement there has been NOTHING.

The new 1 hatch is in production, and the new 3 is in production.

Is there any real info as to when the 2 coupe will actually become available to order?

I'm just ticked and mystified that BMW would leave such a gaping hole in their line up, with customers ready, willing, and able to order a new 2, but there is no car to order.

Any other 1 coupe owners and fans feeling left out by BMW?

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

It is a bit strange that there is no noise at all... like not even a little buzz. I just saw a bimmerpost facebook blast about the next X5 in testing - the current model is what, 3 years old?

Current X5 model is over 5 years old (sales started Fall 2006). The E82 and E88 1 series coupe and convertible started sales in Summer of 2007.

The E82/E88 is expected to have a normal BMW product life cycle of 6-7 years. Hence, the new F15 X5 will come before the next 1-series / 2-series coupe.

So, don't expect the next 1-series/2-series coupe until late 2013/early 2014 when the current generation coupe/convertible stops being made.

[ND40oz]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

The E8x has been out since 2004. Yes, I know it is being replaced in hatch form, however that leaves a pretty big void in the coupe category.

I wasn't talking about the 1 series, was referring to your comment about the X5 (E70), it's been out for 6 model years and will most likely have a 7th (2013) before it's replaced.

[KingOfJericho]

Originally Posted by ND40oz

I wasn't talking about the 1 series, was referring to your comment about the X5 (E70), it's been out for 6 model years and will most likely have a 7th (2013) before it's replaced.

My only point was that the E8x has been around 2 years longer yet we've heard nothing. The new X5 replacement is already in testing.

[Sinister Crayon]

http://www.egmcartech.com/2011/12/08...new-1-m-coupe/

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

My only point was that the E8x has been around 2 years longer yet we've heard nothing. The new X5 replacement is already in testing.

Except the E82 has only been out four model years. The E81 and E87 have already been replaced with the F20 and F21.

[ND40oz]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

My only point was that the E8x has been around 2 years longer yet we've heard nothing. The new X5 replacement is already in testing.

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Except the E82 has only been out four model years. The E81 and E87 have already been replaced with the F20 and F21.

Yup, the E82 came out as a 2008 model year vehicle, it only makes sense theat the E70 would be replaced before it, since it was a 2007 model year vehicle.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

Yes, but the e82 Coupe has only been out since 2007 (over here)...

I think we will have to wait a while before we see a new coupe(F22).

I could be wrong, but I thought I read that the 1M was limited in number because 1 series coupe production was ending soon after all the 1M's were built. IOW, the 1M was the last hurrah for the 1 series coupe.
No?

If the current 1 coupe is going for at least another year, then why not sell more 1M? BMW did say they could increase production if demand is there. And, aren't pretty much all 1M's spoken for?

How long will dealers take orders for current 1 series coupes and verts?

Still, I'm ticked that there is nothing about a replacement even if it's 1 more year away.

If It is at least another year away, then I may just order a 135i vert, at least it'll be different to my 135i coupe.
I don't want to get the same car as I already have.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by the1andonly

side by side, I still prefer our current 1!

I like the imagined one better.

But, I've seen this imagine picts.
I want some real information and some real dates.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by Jason

Current X5 model is over 5 years old (sales started Fall 2006). The E82 and E88 1 series coupe and convertible started sales in Summer of 2007.

The E82/E88 is expected to have a normal BMW product life cycle of 6-7 years. Hence, the new F15 X5 will come before the next 1-series / 2-series coupe.

So, don't expect the next 1-series/2-series coupe until late 2013/early 2014 when the current generation coupe/convertible stops being made.

1 series hatch 5 door (E87) started production in 2004 in Euro market.
I'm guessing it was a 2005 model.
That chassis went to 2011 model year.
That gives it 7 model years.

The 1 coupe (E82) started production in 2007.
Selling as a 2008 model around June/July 2007.
That gives the coupe 5 model years.

If 7 model years is the norm, then we'll have a 2013 and 2014 model year for the current coupe.
If the current coupe is going for another 2 model years after 2012, then there needs to be some freshening for the 2013 model due around
July 2012.

Since I got my 2009 135i the prices have gone way up.
So, if I choose to get another 1 coupe, I get nothing new other than paying a lot more for pretty much the same car.

I'm only considering a 135i vert as I can't get the same car I have now.
Or, I may go with an Audi A5 and in 3 years wait to see what BMW does with the new 2 series.
The A5 has been freshened for this model year.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Except the E82 has only been out four model years. The E81 and E87 have already been replaced with the F20 and F21.

E82 is 5 model years old, starting as a 2008 up to now the 2012 model.

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by RPM90

I could be wrong, but I thought I read that the 1M was limited in number because 1 series coupe production was ending soon after all the 1M's were built. IOW, the 1M was the last hurrah for the 1 series coupe.
No?

If the current 1 coupe is going for at least another year, then why not sell more 1M? BMW did say they could increase production if demand is there. And, aren't pretty much all 1M's spoken for?

Correct. But BMW AG never said that the e82/e88 would cease as soon as US 1M sales stopped. The 1M will be built way into 2012. Maybe even longer. But these builds are only for RoW (rest of the world) sales. US sales are done. So BMW NA says with the "740 production number" of US 1M delivered units. BMW has always said the next 1er Coupe will come in 2013 or 2014.

"Soon" is a relative term. Remeber BMW AG also says the M3 e92/e93 sales will end "soon". But they will be built for the for awhile right now. One to two years. ?


From the front page of Bimmerpost.com...

http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=637125

"Are there any other special edition M3s coming before end of production for the E92/E93 M3 coupe and convertible?
You shouldn’t be surprised if we have some more. The car is not at the end of the production. We have the car until 2013 [calendar year] as a coupe and convertible. So if we have time to do some more special editions, I would be thrilled.

What is the timeline for the next M3 sedan and coupe?
There won't be a next generation M3 introduced before the current M3 coupe and convertible end of production. [Note: read together with the answer directly above, that would mean that there will be no F80/F82 M3 (sedan/coupe) prior to mid-late 2013 at the earliest.]"

Originally Posted by RPM90

Still, I'm ticked that there is nothing about a replacement even if it's 1 more year away.

If It is at least another year away, then I may just order a 135i vert, at least it'll be different to my 135i coupe.
I don't want to get the same car as I already have.

I think the F22 (e82 coupe) replacement is alteast a year away. IF it were closer to production we would be seeing some prototypes being driven by now. So far we have only seen one F21 (two door hatch) being test on the streets of Munich. I fear the F22 is a long way off.

Originally Posted by RPM90

1 series hatch 5 door (E87) started production in 2004 in Euro market.
I'm guessing it was a 2005 model.
That chassis went to 2011 model year.
That gives it 7 model years.

The 1 coupe (E82) started production in 2007.
Selling as a 2008 model around June/July 2007.
That gives the coupe 5 model years.

If 7 model years is the norm, then we'll have a 2013 and 2014 model year for the current coupe.
If the current coupe is going for another 2 model years after 2012, then there needs to be some freshening for the 2013 model due around
July 2012.

One thing to add... BMW has never made an LCI update to the e82/e88 coupe/vert. Sure the 2012's have different headlights and tail lights... BUT... BMW AG has never called this an LCI officially.

The e87 (1er hatches) had their LCI in 2007. They came out in 2004. When the two door hatch came out in 2007, it came with the LCI update(s). That was the same year (2007) that the e82 coupe and e88 vert came out as well. BMW usually goes with a six to seven year model cycle life for any given platform.


SO... we should start to see the F22 (2nd generation 135i or 235i) shortly after the F21 comes out. That will be at least a year off from now. I suspect it will be like two years away. These are just my "best guesses" though.


Dackel

[///Machiavelli]

Dackel, in detailing your recent email conversations with Leipzig a couple weeks back didnt you mention that they were intending to retool later this year for x1 and f21 production exclusively while e82 production was to be moved off shore to China?

Perhaps this explains the dearth of 2013 e82 info at this time?

[KingOfJericho]

The 1er has enough problems coming out of Leipzig, I can only imagine what issues would be seen with Chinese made 1ers...

[2012_135i]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

...Chinese made 1ers...

Yikes.

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

The 1er has enough problems coming out of Leipzig, I can only imagine what issues would be seen with Chinese made 1ers...

From my understanding is that the Chinese made 1er coupes would be only for local consumption. Or for Asia. I realy can not see BMW trying to sell "made in China" BMW's either! lol Much like they make special 3er Li and 5er Li (long wheelbase) models for only the Chinese market.

[TMR013]

If the new 2 coupe is styled like the F20. I don't mind waiting.

[GeeRam]

Originally Posted by machiavelli9988

Dackel, in detailing your recent email conversations with Leipzig a couple weeks back didnt you mention that they were intending to retool later this year for x1 and f21 production exclusively while e82 production was to be moved off shore to China?

Perhaps this explains the dearth of 2013 e82 info at this time?

I think that's because there won't be a 2013 E82, given E82/E88 production is supposed to be ending in June 2012.

The E82 tooling may then be shipped out the the BMW China factory in prep for E82's being made just for the Chinese domestic market, while Leipzig then prepares for the F22 in readiness for a 2013 release

[Dackelone]

I found a new picture of an F22 Coupe that I had not seen before...





for comparison sakes here is an F21 (two door hatch - not out yet)...

[Tux]

I posted a link on babybmw to autoexpress website with some speculation on the new 2 series. Its more UK specific though

http://www.babybmw.net/viewtopic.php?t=32536#p357776