Maybe you guys are right about reliability

[Suprgnat]

Originally Posted by TMR013

Holy Crap! Didn't mean to start a war with our 128 brethren.

No war! I should have put a smiley face after "put up or shut up"! A 30% HP bump on an NA engine with bolt-ons and a tune would be amazing. No head work, no cams and no compression bump. Wow. It's not outside the realm of possibility as the E70 X5 is rated at 272 HP, but I need proof before I try to plot my way around the CARB. 300 NA ponies would be worth the bi-annual smog check headache.

I have nothing but respect for TheSt|G. His posts have been informative and relevant, and often display a dry humor that I so enjoy.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by Suprgnat

Dude, I'm firmly in the NA camp but damn, put up or shut up. 3200 lb car divided by 10.5 HP=305 rwhp. Not saying it ain't so, but before I become an evangelist I need proof, not estimates or guesses.
You keep promising a dyno sheet...

3150, and I'm not claiming 305 rwhp. That would be absurd.

Originally Posted by Suprgnat

I have nothing but respect for TheSt|G. His posts have been informative and relevant, and often display a dry humor that I so enjoy.

I'll be dynoing as soon as I get the time. I work 12 hour days and barely get the time to wrench on the 1er as it is.

[Suprgnat]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

3150, and I'm not claiming 305 rwhp. That would be absurd.

Sorry. @ 10.5 lb/hp that's 300 HP at the crank.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by tuco44

Proves exactly nothing.

If you want reliability, go Japanese and even there, there can be issues.

Yes, correct statement in every way.

[mb135is]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

3150, and I'm not claiming 305 rwhp. That would be absurd.



I'll be dynoing as soon as I get the time. I work 12 hour days and barely get the time to wrench on the 1er as it is.

Be honest. You haven't gotten it dynoed because all you do is drive your fiancee's ZHP, as it is the superior car . I miss that thing - you HAD To bring it to bimmerfest, didn't you?

Back on (off)topic - I drove his car before all the good bits were installed. It was fun then; I'm sure it's a giggle-fest now. If 135 owners weren't so damn insecure, they wouldn't take the bait every time someone lightly jabs that there is _something_ the 128i does better (even though there are several things). Get over it!

Back on (on) topic: I have this conversation with my friends who buy BMWs all the time - if you aren't prepared for problems, high cost fixes, and service departments that treat you like you're an idiot, then you aren't prepared to own a BMW (unless you can do all the work yourself). Typically, they keep them until the costs are more frequent, then they get rid of them. Maybe this will be the case with high mileage 135s, maybe not. I'll let y'all know when I get there.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by mb135is

Be honest. You haven't gotten it dynoed because all you do is drive your fiancee's ZHP, as it is the superior car . I miss that thing - you HAD To bring it to bimmerfest, didn't you?

It really is a fantastic car. And yes, new corner lights are already on the way. I'm not going to let her slip in the slightest.

Your stock IS muffler sounds absurd as well. Really got me back on finishing up my exhaust with a Supersprint muffler.

Originally Posted by mb135is

Back on (off)topic - I drove his car before all the good bits were installed. It was fun then; I'm sure it's a giggle-fest now. If 135 owners weren't so damn insecure, they wouldn't take the bait every time someone lightly jabs that there is _something_ the 128i does better (even though there are several things). Get over it!

Back on (on) topic: I have this conversation with my friends who buy BMWs all the time - if you aren't prepared for problems, high cost fixes, and service departments that treat you like you're an idiot, then you aren't prepared to own a BMW (unless you can do all the work yourself). Typically, they keep them until the costs are more frequent, then they get rid of them. Maybe this will be the case with high mileage 135s, maybe not. I'll let y'all know when I get there.

The best are the threads where a prospective buyer wants to blow their entire budget on the purchase of a high milage car.

[vertebra]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

BMW seems to disagree. 440lb difference at a minimum, 500lb difference if you spec'd the slushbox. I'm also lighter than the 128i spec weight thanks to a handy sunroof delete and a few other things.

Also, who was talking about speed? If you want to get into power to weight I'm at 10.5lbs/hp currently...

BS! First the specs do not account for options. You mentioned that you lost some weight due to the sunroof delete. Do you honestly think the beefed up M-Sport suspension which is standard on the 135i weighs nothing?

If we are calculating engine HP to weight 3208/230=13.95 NOT 10.5! I seriously doubt you have over 300hp even with your mods! Even a simple 10 minute Cobb tune with nothing else crushes all the mods you have done to your car.

Back on topic... For those that may be new to the forum some of the 128i owners would like you to believe that if you bought a 135i you need to cross your fingers every time you get in the car and hope it starts. This is not the case.

[Iron Man]

Hey Stig, I, guess after you dyno your car, you should stop at an interstate weigh station and see if they will weigh it for you as well. If they are not busy, I bet they just might.

[Iron Man]

Originally Posted by Rukuss

I'm not aware of "trouble free forums", my point is, if you or I listen to most rants online we would be driving Toyota corollas

That was my point as well.

[vertebra]

Originally Posted by Iron Man

Hey Stig, I, guess after you dyno your car, you should stop at an interstate weigh station and see if they will weigh it for you as well. If they are not busy, I bet they just might.

After all the misinformation posted it couldn't hurt

[tuco44]

Back on topic... For those that may be new to the forum some of the 128i owners would like you to believe that if you bought a 135i you need to cross your fingers every time you get in the car and hope it starts. This is not the case.

Agree with that comment.

[Dafttt]

Originally Posted by tuco44

Back on topic... For those that may be new to the forum some of the 128i owners would like you to believe that if you bought a 135i you need to cross your fingers every time you get in the car and hope it starts. This is not the case.

Agree with that comment.

When has anyone here ever said anything like that.
BMW's are plenty reliable, I have an e46 up past 176xxx miles with zero issues. I just personally don't think your car or any '35i model can hold a candle to that kind of reliability.



But as we've already discussed, you sacrifice some reliability for a whole lot more power. Ya'll already know that, and some of you have stated that. You need to pay to play, but I just don't think that resonates well with BMW's older mantra, of bulletproof engines (let's not get into logistics here, let's keep it within the I6 family).

Edit: Another thing, this isn't an 'us against you' argument. My mother's in an arm wrestle with BMW NA right now over fuel pump issues, again. Honestly, I feel for some of you guys (like OP), while on the other hand, most of you seem to be doing just fine reliability wise.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by vertebra

BS! First the specs do not account for options. You mentioned that you lost some weight due to the sunroof delete. Do you honestly think the beefed up M-Sport suspension which is standard on the 135i weighs nothing?

MSport is barely "beefed up".

I have no sunroof, no fogs, no stock primary cats, no stock wheels, no rfts, no power seats, and no iDrive. Aside from the 2lbs xenons add, I have pretty much the lightest spec possible with additional weight savings.

Originally Posted by vertebra

If we are calculating engine HP to weight 3208/230=13.95 NOT 10.5! I seriously doubt you have over 300hp even with your mods! Even a simple 10 minute Cobb tune with nothing else crushes all the mods you have done to your car.

Between weight savings and power mods, should be spot on 10.5. I'm aware the 135i has more power available. If that was my primary concern, I would have purchased one.

Originally Posted by vertebra

Back on topic... For those that may be new to the forum some of the 128i owners would like you to believe that if you bought a 135i you need to cross your fingers every time you get in the car and hope it starts. This is not the case.

Wasn't this thread started by a 135i owner having a Check Engine light?

[ejm3]

Also back on topic:
Some facts (or close to facts) on 135i reliability.

1) We know earlier 135i's ('08's & 09's) have more issues than more recent models.

2) the '12's & '13's are actually recommended by Consumer Reports, which says something about the reliability of the recent models.

3) Its somewhat anectdotal but logic would say adding a turbo to an engine adds complexity and reduces reliabilty to some degree, though to what degree is debatable. I would like to see actual numbers rather than people's opions on this.

4) Many people on this forum have their cars modified and that will reduce reliability. So when you see people complain about reliability take that into consideration. If yours is bone stock its likely to be more reliable over the long haul.

5) Many of the people here drive their cars in, um, a more "spirited" manner than the average person does. This includes tracking their cars. If you drive yours like a grandma then expect better long term reliability than what you're hearing about on this forum.

6) This is an internet forum and you're more likely to hear the bad things than from the people who drive 100k trouble-free miles.

7) BMW's (and European cars in general) are historically not as reliable as Hondas or Toyotas. That doesn't mean you won't drive your 135i 200k miles without major issues and it doesn't mean there aren't lemon Japanese cars out there, but generally this is a fact and if you thought otherwise when you bought a BMW then shame on you for not doing your homework.

Pretty much everything else is opinion and/or speculation.

[FIRST1]

Originally Posted by ejm3

Also back on topic:
Some facts (or close to facts) on 135i reliability.

1) We know earlier 135i's ('08's & 09's) have more issues than more recent models.

2) the '12's & '13's are actually recommended by Consumer Reports, which says something about the reliability of the recent models.

3) Its somewhat anectdotal but logic would say adding a turbo to an engine adds complexity and reduces reliabilty to some degree, though to what degree is debatable. I would like to see actual numbers rather than people's opions on this.

4) Many people on this forum have their cars modified and that will reduce reliability. So when you see people complain about reliability take that into consideration. If yours is bone stock its likely to be more reliable over the long haul.

5) Many of the people here drive their cars in, um, a more "spirited" manner than the average person does. This includes tracking their cars. If you drive yours like a grandma then expect better long term reliability than what you're hearing about on this forum.

6) This is an internet forum and you're more likely to hear the bad things than from the people who drive 100k trouble-free miles.

7) BMW's (and European cars in general) are historically not as reliable as Hondas or Toyotas. That doesn't mean you won't drive your 135i 200k miles without major issues and it doesn't mean there aren't lemon Japanese cars out there, but generally this is a fact and if you thought otherwise when you bought a BMW then shame on you for not doing your homework.

Pretty much everything else is opinion and/or speculation.

[tuco44]

Originally Posted by ejm3

Also back on topic:
Some facts (or close to facts) on 135i reliability.

1) We know earlier 135i's ('08's & 09's) have more issues than more recent models.

2) the '12's & '13's are actually recommended by Consumer Reports, which says something about the reliability of the recent models.

3) Its somewhat anectdotal but logic would say adding a turbo to an engine adds complexity and reduces reliabilty to some degree, though to what degree is debatable. I would like to see actual numbers rather than people's opions on this.

4) Many people on this forum have their cars modified and that will reduce reliability. So when you see people complain about reliability take that into consideration. If yours is bone stock its likely to be more reliable over the long haul.

5) Many of the people here drive their cars in, um, a more "spirited" manner than the average person does. This includes tracking their cars. If you drive yours like a grandma then expect better long term reliability than what you're hearing about on this forum.

6) This is an internet forum and you're more likely to hear the bad things than from the people who drive 100k trouble-free miles.

7) BMW's (and European cars in general) are historically not as reliable as Hondas or Toyotas. That doesn't mean you won't drive your 135i 200k miles without major issues and it doesn't mean there aren't lemon Japanese cars out there, but generally this is a fact and if you thought otherwise when you bought a BMW then shame on you for not doing your homework.

Pretty much everything else is opinion and/or speculation.

Very good post, well said.

[bimmerfile]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

Wasn't this thread started by a 135i owner having a Check Engine light?

[ilikebmxbikes]

Hilarious read

[vertebra]

Originally Posted by bimmerfile

Correct. It started out as a thread concerning a sensor. A sensor, not a turbo problem like our buddy posted and not a weight issue like our other buddy posted. That is the beautiful thing about a thread, you can start from the beginning and read the whole thing.

[ilikebmxbikes]

Lets make a new thread 135i/ 1m vs 128i and watch 1addicts explode

[vertebra]

Originally Posted by ejm3

Also back on topic:
Some facts (or close to facts) on 135i reliability.

1) We know earlier 135i's ('08's & 09's) have more issues than more recent models.

2) the '12's & '13's are actually recommended by Consumer Reports, which says something about the reliability of the recent models.

3) Its somewhat anectdotal but logic would say adding a turbo to an engine adds complexity and reduces reliabilty to some degree, though to what degree is debatable. I would like to see actual numbers rather than people's opions on this.

4) Many people on this forum have their cars modified and that will reduce reliability. So when you see people complain about reliability take that into consideration. If yours is bone stock its likely to be more reliable over the long haul.

5) Many of the people here drive their cars in, um, a more "spirited" manner than the average person does. This includes tracking their cars. If you drive yours like a grandma then expect better long term reliability than what you're hearing about on this forum.

6) This is an internet forum and you're more likely to hear the bad things than from the people who drive 100k trouble-free miles.

7) BMW's (and European cars in general) are historically not as reliable as Hondas or Toyotas. That doesn't mean you won't drive your 135i 200k miles without major issues and it doesn't mean there aren't lemon Japanese cars out there, but generally this is a fact and if you thought otherwise when you bought a BMW then shame on you for not doing your homework.

Pretty much everything else is opinion and/or speculation.

Agreed

[strati1]

Originally Posted by ilikebmxbikes

Lets make a new thread 135i/ 1m vs 128i and watch 1addicts explode

DO IT...ill troll along with ya