finally...a review that calls it like it is!

[IEDEI]

"In some ways, what the car really made me realize is just how much I like the 1-series, period. It's a shame BMW's not bringing these to the US anymore, because in terms of size, handling, and overall character, this is my favorite recent BMW in memory. It's tight, nimble, plucky, practical, and honest. The 2-series isn't bad at all, but after driving both I realize that it's really not the same."


http://jalopnik.com/dinan-s3-r-bmw-1...iew-1555384361

[tuco44]

Well, you did pick out the few words that apply to the 1 Series generally, while the great majority of the article comments apply to the Dinan-ized 1M, a bit of different beast to the garden variety 128 or 135. Of course, being a 2 Series denier, this would fit in your world.

I own a 1 Series as well, and it's a fine car. However, I can see where the M235 is a better car in some areas - interior fit and finish, road stability to name two. Over the past several months, my opinion is that this OP's take on the 2 Series is highly biased by his new 135is, a fine car indeed, but not a 1M by any stretch.

And yes, I have actually driven a M235i, albeit a auto-tranny one. I hope to drive one with a manual tranny later this month, then I will try to make an OBJECTIVE decision between the 1 and the 2. All cats are not always grey in the dark. It's great to have first world problems.

[killerhurtalot]

Is it worth the 2-3x tag price of a 135i? Hell no.

When I drive a stock 135i, the thought of having a extra 144 hp would be really nice is the last thing in my mind.

But I always liked the aggressive look of the 1m :/ which can be done with a couple thousand dollars of of exterior mods... LSD isn't needed for a road car... but would be nice to have on the track lol. and again... can be done with like 5k...

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by tuco44

then I will try to make an OBJECTIVE decision between the 1 and the 2.

well Tuco44.....IMO "objective" decisions about cars = BO-RING.

subjective decisions and passion = GREAT!

[bmw1racer]

That Dinan 1M is an exercise in excess.

[vertebra]

I love the 1 Series as well. But...not everyone feels the same as we do. Take a look at this old review if you haven't already.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/200...w-135i-review/

[swagon]

Originally Posted by tuco44

Well, you did pick out the few words that apply to the 1 Series generally, while the great majority of the article comments apply to the Dinan-ized 1M, a bit of different beast to the garden variety 128 or 135. Of course, being a 2 Series denier, this would fit in your world.

I own a 1 Series as well, and it's a fine car. However, I can see where the M235 is a better car in some areas - interior fit and finish, road stability to name two. Over the past several months, my opinion is that this OP's take on the 2 Series is highly biased by his new 135is, a fine car indeed, but not a 1M by any stretch.

And yes, I have actually driven a M235i, albeit a auto-tranny one. I hope to drive one with a manual tranny later this month, then I will try to make an OBJECTIVE decision between the 1 and the 2. All cats are not always grey in the dark. It's great to have first world problems.

Beat me to it.

[NYHoustonman]

Originally Posted by vertebra

I love the 1 Series as well. But...not everyone feels the same as we do. Take a look at this old review if you haven't already.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/200...w-135i-review/

"And while the 335i has a most excellent ZF automatic transmission, the 135i does not. The smaller car's French-made six-speed auto is jerkier and more dim-witted than its big brother's cog swapper."

Lines like this make me wonder how much effort some reviewers actually put into their reviews.

I think, in general, some people were so hurt that the 135i wasn't entirely perfect that they looked for holes. They wanted things that simply aren't possible in a new car. About the only legitimate gripe I've seen about the 135i is the relative lack of body control (aftermarket, anyone? ). It wasn't too heavy, or too expensive, in the context of the market at the time. Can you imagine BMW releasing a small coupe that could hit 60mph in under 5 seconds, for $35k? Oh, wait...

[Stock4Evr]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

"In some ways, what the car really made me realize is just how much I like the 1-series, period. It's a shame BMW's not bringing these to the US anymore, because in terms of size, handling, and overall character, this is my favorite recent BMW in memory. It's tight, nimble, plucky, practical, and honest. The 2-series isn't bad at all, but after driving both I realize that it's really not the same."


http://jalopnik.com/dinan-s3-r-bmw-1...iew-1555384361

Many different likes and dislikes is why we have so many models. I was in for an oil change yesterday and had my first opportunity to view the new 235i. My opinion, not that it matters, is that the 1 series is in a class of its own. I do not care much for the 2 as it looks so much like other car models. It just looks to bloated. Just my .02 worth.

[2tonik]

LSD is "needed" for any enthusiast oriented road car - even of it's modestly powered. Re: BRZ/FR-S, RX-8. Shame on BMW for not offering LSD's on non-M models.
What's the point of RWD if you can't rotate the car with throttle, much less get the power to the ground in a straight? Besides, LSD's are "moar" fun!

[NYHoustonman]

Originally Posted by 2tonik

LSD is "needed" for any enthusiast oriented road car - even of it's modestly powered. Re: BRZ/FR-S, RX-8. Shame on BMW for not offering LSD's on non-M models.
What's the point of RWD if you can't rotate the car with throttle, much less get the power to the ground in a straight? Besides, LSD's are "moar" fun!

I agree for the most part, but I have little problem rotating the car under throttle, even without an LSD . Hell, you can get the car to drift as long as you kick the tail out before loading the outside rear wheel too much...

That said, if I had the money, I'd have an LSD installed by now.

[IEDEI]

C&D calling out the 2-series...

[2012_135i]

Originally Posted by vertebra

I love the 1 Series as well. But...not everyone feels the same as we do. Take a look at this old review if you haven't already.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/200...w-135i-review/

Interesting article that makes a couple of good points related to elements of design (e.g. weight, etc.) deliberately undercutting the car to prevent it from taking too many sales away from the 3-Series [Porsche did the same thing with the Cayman to save 911 sales), but overall too harsh and hung up on the 2002 comparison.

Just a couple things that popped out at me I feel are off base:

“There is nothing iconic or beautiful about the 135i. It's a rolling caricature of a virtually identical car.”

Couldn’t disagree more. Perhaps not “iconic”, but I think it’s a great, sexy looking car with real personality. I’ve had my 135i for over two years now and still look back at it when walking away. I’m sure there are lots of owners like us who appreciate the car who do the same.

“The 135i's back chairs will not accommodate anyone”

Just wrong. Sure it’s tight back there, it’s a compact coupe for goodness sake so the back seat is not for everybody or maybe even a lot of people. But “will not accommodate anyone”? My wife and child fit back there just fine and claim it’s more comfortable with more room than our Audi A3. They’re part of “anyone” and I’m sure not alone.

There’s been too much literal comparison with the 2002 that opens up criticisms that miss the forest for the trees. It’s not a 2002 revived, ok car mag reviewers? Get over that already. It harkens back to the days of the 2002 which is a very different and I think fair statement when you consider how bloated BMW products have become over the years.

[vertebra]

Originally Posted by 2012_135i

Quote:

Originally Posted by vertebra

I love the 1 Series as well. But...not everyone feels the same as we do. Take a look at this old review if you haven't already.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/200...w-135i-review/

Interesting article that makes a couple of good points related to elements of design (e.g. weight, etc.) deliberately undercutting the car to prevent it from taking too many sales away from the 3-Series [Porsche did the same thing with the Cayman to save 911 sales), but overall too harsh and hung up on the 2002 comparison.

Just a couple things that popped out at me I feel are off base:

“There is nothing iconic or beautiful about the 135i. It's a rolling caricature of a virtually identical car.�

Couldn’t disagree more. Perhaps not “iconic�, but I think it’s a great, sexy looking car with real personality. I’ve had my 135i for over two years now and still look back at it when walking away. I’m sure there are lots of owners like us who appreciate the car who do the same.

“The 135i's back chairs will not accommodate anyone�

Just wrong. Sure it’s tight back there, it’s a compact coupe for goodness sake so the back seat is not for everybody or maybe even a lot of people. But “will not accommodate anyone�? My wife and child fit back there just fine and claim it’s more comfortable with more room than our Audi A3. They’re part of “anyone� and I’m sure not alone.

There’s been too much literal comparison with the 2002 that opens up criticisms that miss the forest for the trees. It’s not a 2002 revived, ok car mag reviewers? Get over that already. It harkens back to the days of the 2002 which is a very different and I think fair statement when you consider how bloated BMW products have become over the years.

I agree. But, it was BMW themselves comparing the One to the 2002 just as they are doing now to the Two series.




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[NYHoustonman]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

C&D calling out the 2-series...

I just read this review, and I'm seriously confused as to how they 228i they tested didn't return a better skidpad number. They claim 0.94g for the A3, 0.93g for the CLA250, and 0.86g for the 228i. Hell, that's a lower number than I've seen from 320i tests. Are those particular RFT's really *that* bad? If so - it's a shame to ruin the car, in that company anyway, in such a way, as this was the one downside the testers listed.

Originally Posted by 2012_135i

Interesting article that makes a couple of good points related to elements of design (e.g. weight, etc.) deliberately undercutting the car to prevent it from taking too many sales away from the 3-Series [Porsche did the same thing with the Cayman to save 911 sales), but overall too harsh and hung up on the 2002 comparison.

Just a couple things that popped out at me I feel are off base:

“There is nothing iconic or beautiful about the 135i. It's a rolling caricature of a virtually identical car.”

Couldn’t disagree more. Perhaps not “iconic”, but I think it’s a great, sexy looking car with real personality. I’ve had my 135i for over two years now and still look back at it when walking away. I’m sure there are lots of owners like us who appreciate the car who do the same.

“The 135i's back chairs will not accommodate anyone”

Just wrong. Sure it’s tight back there, it’s a compact coupe for goodness sake so the back seat is not for everybody or maybe even a lot of people. But “will not accommodate anyone”? My wife and child fit back there just fine and claim it’s more comfortable with more room than our Audi A3. They’re part of “anyone” and I’m sure not alone.

There’s been too much literal comparison with the 2002 that opens up criticisms that miss the forest for the trees. It’s not a 2002 revived, ok car mag reviewers? Get over that already. It harkens back to the days of the 2002 which is a very different and I think fair statement when you consider how bloated BMW products have become over the years.

I still look back at the car every time I walk away, and I think it drives my girlfriend nuts . Spot on about the back seat, too - people want a sporty car and then complain that they don't have multiple feet of legroom in the back...

[ptack]

When the 1 series was first released in the US it came with the crappiest run flats imagineable. Apparently BMW feels that 2014 228i owners also don't merrit performance tires, but maybe that aligns with the targetted "wider audience".

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by 2012_135i

Just wrong. Sure it’s tight back there, it’s a compact coupe for goodness sake so the back seat is not for everybody or maybe even a lot of people. But “will not accommodate anyone”? My wife and child fit back there just fine and claim it’s more comfortable with more room than our Audi A3. They’re part of “anyone” and I’m sure not alone.

i had an A3 quattro before i got my 135is, and the backseats in the 1er are EXCELLENT. i've had 2 adults over 6 feet sit comfortably in the rear.....

[BEAR-AvHistory]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

i've had 2 adults over 6 feet sit comfortably in the rear.....

SB, "finally a review that agrees with your point of view"

Where were the driver/passanger sittng? I think you have really taken a big gulp of the 135 forever Cool Aid. I am 6ft X 195lbs & the rear seat in my 135is sucks if I try to sit back there withy my seat in the driving position.

Maybe it a having the last model year of the old design thing presenting itself.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory

SB, "finally a review that agrees with your point of view"

Where were the driver/passanger sittng? I think you have really taken a big gulp of the 135 forever Cool Aid. I am 6ft X 195lbs & the rear seat in my 135is sucks if I try to sit back there withy my seat in the driving position.

Maybe it a having the last model year of the old design thing presenting itself.

or maybe i'm just not as bitterly against the 1-series as you seem to be as of late....why don't you just sell it if you don't like it?

i think you'll find that many people on a 1-series forum WILL LOVE their 1-series. LOL. It isn't rocket science...

[C135i]

I've had my '13 135i all of nearly 3 months now and I absolutely love it. I purposely picked this car because I do not like any of the new BMW's (other than the 1) year model 2012 and later. I had a 2011 328i and really enjoyed the driving experience and when I would get a newer 328i as a loaner, while mine was in for service, I hated it. It was like driving any other car on the market but with a lot of switches and modes. I do not like the dash design in them either (1 series included in this one). Meaning the LCD display looks like it's just stuck on and not part of the design. I liked the way the 2011's incorporated your Nav into the dash. Just seemed more seamless.

I had the BMW PPK installed on my 135i and am following that up with the BMW performance exhaust! Can't wait for the exhaust! I think this car is the last BMW Ultimate Driving Experience to be put to rest.

I think I turn around 3 to 5 times walking away from my 1'er......

[Yeineken]

Originally Posted by 16hourdrive

I've had my '13 135i all of nearly 3 months now and I absolutely love it. I purposely picked this car because I do not like any of the new BMW's (other than the 1) year model 2012 and later. I had a 2011 328i and really enjoyed the driving experience and when I would get a newer 328i as a loaner, while mine was in for service, I hated it. It was like driving any other car on the market but with a lot of switches and modes. I do not like the dash design in them either (1 series included in this one). Meaning the LCD display looks like it's just stuck on and not part of the design. I liked the way the 2011's incorporated your Nav into the dash. Just seemed more seamless.

I had the BMW PPK installed on my 135i and am following that up with the BMW performance exhaust! Can't wait for the exhaust! I think this car is the last BMW Ultimate Driving Experience to be put to rest.

I think I turn around 3 to 5 times walking away from my 1'er......

+1

Had the same experience with the new '14 328i when having PPK installed. Just felt lifeless and when i got back in my 135i I felt like I was driving again!

[shah269]

How would I review the 135?
Oh easy?

The 135, the hot latina of all the sports cars out there. Sure you can get a well behaved well spoken model from Japan which will respect you and be dependable and though she may have erotic thoughts of laying in a hot tub filled with live squid she will most likely keep it to herself an use her well appointed well thought out GPS guidance system to get you from point A to point B in comfort and serenity at almost any speed with just a hint of excitement.

Driving the 135 is not any of that. She’s a very curvaceous tight skinned green eyed raven haired woman who prefers to wash dishes while wearing 8in red spiked heels. You have no idea where you found her or if she stalked and found you but you have some very mixed emotions regarding her taking up residence in your life.
On one hand she makes you smile, did we mention that she’s a very curvaceous tight skinned green eyed raven haired hoty who has a thing for wearing one piece tight fitting knitted little numbers matched with high heels which could pass of harpoons and is prone to brining you breakfast in bed and whispering “Papi” in year years just the right way when you are out just walking around which makes you feel…well like The Papi…ah yeah?

And on the other she will make you question your sanity. Like that one time where she stabbed you in the thigh with a spoon while at dinner because you smiled and told the blond waitress that the food was excellent….of which you did not know that the term excellent should only be utilized when talking about her cooking and her looks and not some puta who just came over….and did we mention she has a flair for reckless abandonment, love of expensive sub components made of tin and unicorn blood and mild mood swings whenever the weather isn’t just right?

That’s right the BMW 135, it will kill you when you are diving in a straight line minding your own business but will lull you into a false sense of security as you fly around corners at about the speed of light all the while bathing you in that gorgeous exhaust note making smile from ear to freaking ear and causing you some sort of amnesia which will help you forget that you just spent $1k on a new water pump, $1k on tires and oh yes…that the voice recognition software only speaks Dutch and loves getting you lost in the deepest darkest part of the most dangerous hood that you never knew existed.

The BMW 1, because you will always remember that ONE! The one that left you with some internal bleeding, a good number of scars, way too much debt but lots and lots of fond memories!