BMW 1M Coupe Partially Unveiled at Oktoberfest! [INFO, VIDEO & PHOTOS]

southlight · 08-29-2010, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bz888

I don't think it's a space issue. I am familiar with the Audi R-Tronic Gearbox. It's uses a standard 6 Speed MT Graziano Gearbox with Selector Actuators and control from Magneti Marrelli. The actuators and control unit would be the size of a medium size breakfast cereal box. Add some hydraulic lines and some fluid and your nearly done.

The Audi R-Tronic is an automated manual, not a DCT, right?

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Originally Posted by bz888

Besides, the 135i is available with DCT, hence i honest don't think "Space" is an issue. Fact is, BMW playing the 911 vs Cayman game!!

That's why I said DCT wasn't available with the N54 in a 1 series. If they go with the N55, you're right.

Best regards,
south

niuniu · 08-29-2010, 03:31 PM

^^ That's a great pic above - this one is by far my fav yet though! The beast!

Jaguar66 · 08-29-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Alpine3

I believe it's called a 1M because it would come with the current 35 engine. If it had its own engine they would have called it a M1.

Just my thought on the naming.

The naming was related to the fact that BMW did not want the name to be the same as the first M car BMW made, the iconic M1 BMW made from 1978-1981.

This is the car I am talking about.

Dackelone · 08-29-2010, 03:36 PM

The 1M looks great.

I am a bit dissapointed on the high ride hight of the 1M. This car is just begging to be lowered. Love the curves in the above (orange 1M) photo!

iveman89 · 08-29-2010, 03:40 PM

what ever happened to that idea of a 1 series that you were going to be given the option to change components like brakes and stuff or have a CF hood? did they just decide to stick with an 1M?

JB135MDCT · 08-29-2010, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mafoofan

Maybe they want to keep the DCT out of the 1M to ensure that the fastest M3 stays faster than the fastest 1M.

Exactly. Someone actually agrees with me? Kronenbourg time.

Robert · 08-29-2010, 03:54 PM

Good manual only keeps some poseurs out. Not saying people prefer DCTs are poseur but people don't want to learn a manual to drive a 1M are.

bz888 · 08-29-2010, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by southlight

The Audi R-Tronic is an automated manual, not a DCT, right?

That's why I said DCT wasn't available with the N54 in a 1 series. If they go with the N55, you're right.

Best regards,
south

Yes, the R-Tronic is an Automated Manual with single clutch.
DCT is an Automated Manual with Dual Clutch. One clutch handles all the Even Number gears and the other clutch handles the Odd Numbered.

So, your right, not a good example. The dual clutch gearbox may need more room than a single clutch automated manual.

However, I still back the conclusion that they are protecting the M3. Just my opinion.

niuniu · 08-29-2010, 04:04 PM

If you want to give the M3/DCT argument some credence - you should back it up with some projected 1M 0-60's etc, and what those figures might be with DCT.

You might find that the car is still safely under the M3's shadow.

M3_CSL_E92 · 08-29-2010, 04:11 PM

Bimmerfile states that it will indeed come with a N54 engine.
But Scott said it will be a N55.

So if Scott is right, all the other small info about the M1 from bimmerfile is just their own observations or is the rest trustworthy?

Seems to me like they just read the forums and chose what sounds best.
But i don´t know how they know the name of the color..

eugegall · 08-29-2010, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by eugegall

how does this work?

Current M3 Coupe base in the UK = £53.275 (or $82.683)
Current M3 Coupe base in the US = $58.400 (or £37.628)

Why do we have to pay so much more for it in the uk?

Anyone got an answer?

niuniu · 08-29-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by M3_CSL_E92

Bimmerfile states that it will indeed come with a N54 engine.
But Scott said it will be a N55.

So if Scott is right, all the other small info about the M1 from bimmerfile is just their own observations or is the rest trustworthy?

Seems to me like they just read the forums and chose what sounds best.
But i don´t know how they know the name of the color..

Bimmerfile interviewed Dr Segler and have a video up of his talk at the unveiling. The colour was announced there

http://www.bimmerfile.com/2010/08/28...r-interviewed/

southlight · 08-29-2010, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bz888

Yes, the R-Tronic is an Automated Manual with single clutch.
DCT is an Automated Manual with Dual Clutch. One clutch handles all the Even Number gears and the other clutch handles the Odd Numbered.

So, your right, not a good example. The dual clutch gearbox may need more room than a single clutch automated manual.

However, I still back the conclusion that they are protecting the M3. Just my opinion.

Fair enough.

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Originally Posted by M3_CSL_E92

Bimmerfile states that it will indeed come with a N54 engine.
But Scott said it will be a N55.

So if Scott is right, all the other small info about the M1 from bimmerfile is just their own observations or is the rest trustworthy?

Seems to me like they just read the forums and chose what sounds best.
But i don´t know how they know the name of the color..

I think you wrong the guys from bimmerfile a bit. As far as I can tell, they got all the "facts" you mention right, including the color.

Best regards,
south

bz888 · 08-29-2010, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by niuniu

If you want to give the M3/DCT argument some credence - you should back it up with some projected 1M 0-60's etc, and what those figures might be with DCT.

You might find that the car is still safely under the M3's shadow.

Unfortunately, I don't work for M Division so I can't give you any projections based on fact.

However, Take a look at the average 0-60 times for 135i DCT vs M3 M-DCT.

Note the performance margin we are playing with. Now let's assume the 1M DCT is faster that the 135i DCT.

I think it will be pretty close...maybe too close!

tlav17 · 08-29-2010, 04:27 PM

i wonder if it will come with the competition wheels...or if they just put those on there because they haven't decided on a production wheel yet. personally i hope they stick with them because they look amazing. or atleast make them optional

pyrat · 08-29-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mafoofan

Maybe they want to keep the DCT out of the 1M to ensure that the fastest M3 stays faster than the fastest 1M.

I agree with this statement. It was one of my first thoughts when I heard no DCT. But I don't care the motivation, I just am

about all MT, for once, every one for sale will be with the transmission I want, not 10% like most cars.

niuniu · 08-29-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bz888

Unfortunately, I don't work for M Division so I can't give you any projections based on fact.

However, Take a look at the average 0-60 times for 135i DCT vs M3 M-DCT.

Note the performance margin we are playing with. Now let's assume the 1M DCT is faster that the 135i DCT.

I think it will be pretty close...maybe too close!

I think you're right when you look at the numbers

135i DCT 4.6s (est, car and driver - manual is 4.7)
1M ?????
M3 DCT 4.3s (manual is 4.4)

Not sure how they can stop the 1M from looking better at first glance on paper, even with manual tranny, unless they want to make it looked gimped next to the 135i.

M3_CSL_E92 · 08-29-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by southlight

Fair enough.

I think you wrong the guys from bimmerfile a bit. As far as I can tell, they got all the "facts" you mention right, including the color.

Best regards,
south

I never wronged anybody i just asked a simple question.

So let me ask this again. Will it come with a N54 like bimmerfile says or will it come with a N55 like Scott stated?

Jaguar66 · 08-29-2010, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by southlight

Fair enough.

As far as I can tell, they got all the "facts" you mention right, including the color.

Best regards,
south

Many things Scott has said about the 1M, were made a while back when things were just starting to be developed. We have learned that some of those statements have been in error, not intentional of course, just that things have changed since it was first conceived. For example, the car is not to have a DCT as an option, at least initially.

Now there are statements that show that the car will have a version of the N54 twin turbo engine, not the N55.

This is confirmed by the guys at Bimmerfile here. http://www.bimmerfile.com/2010/08/28...t-impressions/

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originally quoted by Bimmerfile
That is Valencia Metallic Orange (not Inka Orange). I am not a fan of metallic paint and especially metallic orange paint. Yet I have to say I love the look of this color both under the sun and at night.
The engine is N54 based (we’ll have more on this very soon)
We are almost certain the 1M will be manual transmission only – the costs are seemingly too high to engineer a DCT into such a limited run car
Yes those are M3 Competition package wheels
The front air intake is much like the M3’s but even more pronounced on this car
The side skirts are also much like the M3’s in shape

Here is the video of the introduction on you tube. Notice in the first half of the video, the angels eyes are on, but are off in the latter part of the video.

southlight · 08-29-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by M3_CSL_E92

I never wronged anybody i just asked a simple question.

"Seems to me like they just read the forums and chose what sounds best" doesn't sound like a question to me.

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Originally Posted by M3_CSL_E92

So let me ask this again. Will it come with a N54 like bimmerfile says or will it come with a N55 like Scott stated?

I can't decide for you what to believe. Until the official announcement it's all speculation.

Best regards,
south

uhn2000 · 08-29-2010, 05:31 PM

Now everyone who wants one will have to learn to drive manual - long live 6 speed.

southlight · 08-29-2010, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by uhn2000

Now everyone who wants one will have to learn to drive manual - long live 6 speed.

Now everyone who wants one will have to join my 6MT club.

Best regards,
south

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