Best current tuning options?

[decaturdad]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Your sales pitch is always there. It's in your sig so you don't have to say anything, just post. Clever.

Now you get out there and make a buck, you little SOB, you!

I was really hoping to learn something from this thread. I think I am smart enough to weigh opinions from vendors versus members, but this had to turn into a personal war so the rest of us loss.

Thanks

[jmz135]

Yea was really hoping to learn something new from this thread, pretty disappointing. I've got a '11 135i also and hate how limited the options are. JB4 has very poor reviews on the N55 platform, despite having a great reputation on the N54.

I got a Cobb AP3, but the OTS maps for the N55 are absolutely abysmal. I'm now running a custom tune from PTF, which was miles better than the Cobb OTS, so credit to them for making the best of the N55 AP3, but now that they've moved onto the new platform it would be nice to have more options. Here's to hoping MHD comes through.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by decaturdad

I was really hoping to learn something from this thread. I think I am smart enough to weigh opinions from vendors versus members, but this had to turn into a personal war so the rest of us loss.

Thanks

Yes, I did get a little carried away and I apologize for that. There's no reason the conversation can't continue. I'm pretty touchy about keeping things objective when money's involved, but not everybody feels the same. No more derailing from me.

[ianc]

The phoney sincerity seems underhanded to me. Like I said, they're here for one reason and it's not to help us out.

Just gotta chip in on Jeff's behalf here; I've seen tons of helpful posts from him on all kinds of things. I know he's a vendor, but the amount of help he gives others helps everyone, not just himself. He's unquestionably an asset to the board,

ianc

[titium]

Originally Posted by ianc

Just gotta chip in on Jeff's behalf here; I've seen tons of helpful posts from him on all kinds of things. I know he's a vendor, but the amount of help he gives others helps everyone, not just himself. He's unquestionably an asset to the board,

ianc

+1

learnt alot from his posts.

[Cavpilot2k]

OP, the point is that you have a few options, but not many. I chimed in about Dinan because it was conspicuously absent from the initial lists, and there are numerous satisfied members here using that tune, so it deserves a mention.

I won't speak ill of any tune or piggyback option, but you have to weigh your priorities. A guy saying "a lack of options is NEVER a Pro" is just a false statement. Some of us like simplicity and a tune that works in the background that we don't have to think about or tinker with or adjust to fine-tune.

For those who like to tweak and fine-tune, such an option does not align with their goals, so it is a CON. It's simple - different strokes for different folks.

And not to throw fire on an argument - this is a separate issue, Jeff, if you are in the tuning business, I don't know how you can make a statement as ignorant as suggesting there is no correlation between reliability and being conservative in tuning. If you add boost of virtually any amount above stock, you increase wear and tear on components and therefore increase the chance of something breaking. The more you increase it, the more stress on the parts, and the more likelihood of overdoing it. Dinan gives good gains but less than some because it is a conservative tune and therefore decreases reliability less than more aggressive tunes.
You can not say that boosting a car to 20 lbs has no additional risk of failure vs boosting the same car to 16 lbs or to 12 lbs. The less you increase it, the less you risk pushing it too far. That's where the reliability and longevity element comes in. Is there a guarantee that the 12 lb boost car will last longer than a 20 lb boost car? No, but I'd put money on the lower boost car if I had to bet on one lasting longer. If you have some magical way to push boost to 2x or more of stock without increasing the risk of component failure, then I will shell out big bucks for THAT snake oil, because you will have achieved the impossible.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Cavpilot2k

A guy saying "a lack of options is NEVER a Pro" is just a false statement. Some of us like simplicity and a tune that works in the background that we don't have to think about or tinker with or adjust to fine-tune.

For those who like to tweak and fine-tune, such an option does not align with their goals, so it is a CON. It's simple - different strokes for different folks.

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You don't have to tinker with the other tunes either

you can ignore all the features, install any other tune and run it just as you would do with a Dinan.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by ianc

Just gotta chip in on Jeff's behalf here; I've seen tons of helpful posts from him on all kinds of things. I know he's a vendor, but the amount of help he gives others helps everyone, not just himself. He's unquestionably an asset to the board,

ianc

Originally Posted by titium

+1

learnt alot from his posts.

Appreciate the kind words. That means a lot hearing/seeing that people notice and do find help from me.

I help many guys through PM/Email too; troubleshooting their own vehicles, free of charge of course.

[Cavpilot2k]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

You don't have to tinker with the other tunes either

you can ignore all the features, install any other tune and run it just as you would do with a Dinan.

Absolutely true!
However, if that is your intent (as it is mine), then it is foolish to discount the Dinan as inferior. Instead, it is just another option.

Look, I'm not pushing Dinan or knocking the other options. They ALL have benefits and drawbacks, and what makes a feature a benefit or drawback is not absolute - it varies based on an owner's goals and priorities.
I'm just saying that having the ability to tinker is not a benefit for a lot of people, so for some of us, that option doesn't enter into the cost/benefit/priority analysis.

A beneficial feature that never gets used is not actually a beneficial feature.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Cavpilot2k

Absolutely true!
However, if that is your intent (as it is mine), then it is foolish to discount the Dinan as inferior. Instead, it is just another option.

Look, I'm not pushing Dinan or knocking the other options. They ALL have benefits and drawbacks, and what makes a feature a benefit or drawback is not absolute - it varies based on an owner's goals and priorities.
I'm just saying that having the ability to tinker is not a benefit for a lot of people, so for some of us, that option doesn't enter into the cost/benefit/priority analysis.

I agree with you 100% it all depends on what the customer is looking for

[onefastsvt]

JB4 with a MHD backflash is awesome on my N54. The MHD flash after the JB4 made the car run a bit smoother. For <$600 you can't beat the gains IMHO and I have many different options I can use through either tuner.

[6MT_Addict]

^^ +1

Running JB4 with the BMS backend flash, the combo is fantastic. BMS tune is free (not sure if it's available for N55 tho) so for less than $300 (bought my JB4 second hand) the price per HP, even at the brand new price, can't be beat. Dinah is fine, but IMO the gains per dollar are too high when you have options like COBB and JB4.

[Dat Aus]

I flashed my car with MHD stage 1 a couple of days ago. Very happy with the results on an otherwise stock car. Can't recommend it enough.

[VRG_135]

Originally Posted by Dat Aus

I flashed my car with MHD stage 1 a couple of days ago. Very happy with the results on an otherwise stock car. Can't recommend it enough.

Is that available for N55? If so where do you get it and how much is it?

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by VRG_135

Is that available for N55? If so where do you get it and how much is it?

Not yet. Still in development.

[Dat Aus]

Originally Posted by VRG_135

Is that available for N55? If so where do you get it and how much is it?

It's not yet. Sorry, I didn't see that this thread was specific to the N55. Currently, it's only available for the N54. As someone above mentioned though, MHD are currently working on the N55 version.

To answer your questions though; it's an app that you just download to any Android device. You'll need a K+DCAN cable and a USB adapter (about $40 to buy). From there, you'll need to purchase the flasher module (I think $80) and then the map packs ($50 each). Each map pack (stages 1 and 2) include different maps depending on what quality fuel you have available.

You also have the option to purchase the monitoring module which is brilliant.

For the price, MHD is simply unbeatable for anyone who just wants a "flash and forget" OTS map, regardless of whether you're FBO or completely stock. You get the same sort of power gains as a JB4 or Cobb for a total of about $200. It also has the added benefit of the monitoring module and is able to log and read/clear codes, and you can do a JB4 back-end flash if you have a JB4. If you want a custom tune, you can log your runs and have one made.

It really is the best option, in my opinion.

[BQTuning]

My Offer

Looking for N55 FBO cars to finish base map developments on 93 octane fuel.

You will need the COBB AP, must be FBO

Looking for about two cars not in the same state.

If your interested shoot me an email bq@*************

yes I do know how to optimize the DCT performance on the N55 where there is no post shift delays.

[str8shot]

One thing I haven't seen mentioned that Dinan does do - that others don't (if that's the route you choose to go) - is increased water pump speeds.

I don't believe any other tune has that capability at this time.

http://www.dinancars.com/product/d90...ries&mid=1139/

[ianc]

Hmm... At the rate these cars lose water pumps and for what it costs to replace them, I'm not sure I want a tune running it any harder as long as oil temps are reasonable...

ianc

[Bodie217]

Vishnu PROcede - why on Earth has no one mentioned this yet? Oh, because you all are arguing like 5th graders about vendors.

I've had two N54 cars and have ran the JB4 on one, PROcede on the other. The PROcede is a much better tune IMO, with tons of great features, and has a great upgrade path to Meth and FlexFuel if you want that down the road. If a flash tune isn't a must for you (Dinan/Cobb) I'd strongly recommend the PROcede over anything else.

[VRG_135]

Originally Posted by HomeRun217

Vishnu PROcede - why on Earth has no one mentioned this yet? Oh, because you all are arguing like 5th graders about vendors.

I've had two N54 cars and have ran the JB4 on one, PROcede on the other. The PROcede is a much better tune IMO, with tons of great features, and has a great upgrade path to Meth and FlexFuel if you want that down the road. If a flash tune isn't a must for you (Dinan/Cobb) I'd strongly recommend the PROcede over anything else.

N55 compatible?

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by HomeRun217

Vishnu PROcede - why on Earth has no one mentioned this yet? Oh, because you all are arguing like 5th graders about vendors.

I've had two N54 cars and have ran the JB4 on one, PROcede on the other. The PROcede is a much better tune IMO, with tons of great features, and has a great upgrade path to Meth and FlexFuel if you want that down the road. If a flash tune isn't a must for you (Dinan/Cobb) I'd strongly recommend the PROcede over anything else.

I see that before today you made on post in 2015 and the rest was in 2014

Lots have changed since then including Vishnu leaving the BMW market and the procede becoming an outdated tune

Why would anyone recommend a tune that has no support and no update for the last 2-3 years?