JB3 G4 Steering Wheel Control Demo!

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

I have got a tonne of email and PMs about the upcoming G4 in respect to map switching and steering wheel controls. This was posted a week or so ago but it was lost in the thread as there was a lot of information posted.

So here is a demo of the steering wheel functions

[Cuz5150]

This is all nice and great.........but
Have you seen the top gear M5 episode?
Waaaaaaaaaaaay to many settings and messing around.
I just want to drive
dicking around with so many maps and settings gets outs of of hand IMHO.
3 settings....stock, sport, all balls out!

[Dmacc]

so hypothetically you could be driving on stock map, a guy in a 911 or b5 s4 or whatever you want to call them pulls up by you, Would it be smart to be driving and switch from map 0 to map 5? I know you said it's possible in the video, i just want to know if its smart

[merlinbk]

When is it coming out?????

[bmwmike335]

Wow i remember a few years ago Burger had like 5 items including the tunes and two intakes... now, 2 years later they have things that we never dreamed of. changing maps, delelting codes and all that other stuff within a matter of seconds... its insane..


props to Burger Motorsports, they really are ahead of the game, wish i still had a N54 engine under my hood to take advantage of their goodies!

[jojo135]

Originally Posted by maxnix

Doesn't the Procede Autotune kind of eliminate the need for map switching?

In theory. The jb4 will also have autotuning option but sometimes u want instant new map without the car having to learn and adapt for a long time. For instance, add race fuel, adjust boost immediately. No need for car to learn it can raise boost and improve timing. JUST set it and go

[bryce]

Originally Posted by bmwmike335

Wow i remember a few years ago Burger had like 5 items including the tunes and two intakes... now, 2 years later they have things that we never dreamed of. changing maps, delelting codes and all that other stuff within a matter of seconds... its insane..


props to Burger Motorsports, they really are ahead of the game, wish i still had a N54 engine under my hood to take advantage of their goodies!

>no timing control
>lackluster part throttle response
>burger motorsports ahead of the game
>wat?

[bryce]

Originally Posted by maxnix

Doesn't the Procede Autotune kind of eliminate the need for map switching?

holy shit. i actually agree with you for once

[jojo135]

Originally Posted by bryce

>no timing control
>lackluster part throttle response
>burger motorsports ahead of the game
>wat?

Pro version will have timing control for those who want to override the dme/ecu's control of timing. Dme was designed by bmw and is certainly capable of controlling timing. This is the only thing procede users can come back to every time.

W hatDoes lackluster part throttle response mean bryce?

As far as being ahead of the game, I think burger has held their own well. The jb3 is half the price of procede and by the looks of dragtimes.com, jb3 is doing something right. They seem to have lots of happy customers. They continually release updates to firmware and develop new technologies for their products themselves, in house. They don't pay contractors to design and write the code for their chips either, it is done by burger motorsports. No tune is perfect. They all have issues, even custom flash tunes have down sides...

[bryce]

Originally Posted by jojo135

Pro version will have timing control for those who want to override the dme/ecu's control of timing. Dme was designed by bmw and is certainly capable of controlling timing. This is the only thing procede users can come back to every time.

W hatDoes lackluster part throttle response mean bryce?

As far as being ahead of the game, I think burger has held their own well. The jb3 is half the price of procede and by the looks of dragtimes.com, jb3 is doing something right. They seem to have lots of happy customers. They continually release updates to firmware and develop new technologies for their products themselves, in house. They don't pay contractors to design and write the code for their chips either, it is done by burger motorsports. No tune is perfect. They all have issues, even custom flash tunes have down sides...

the factory dme controls timing perfectly for stock boost levels. jb3/procede users often run twice the stock boost levels, however. jb3 relies on stock timing control and settings, which is pretty risky when doubling the boost. this isn't tuner propaganda, it's turbocharging 101. look at any other platform (evo, sti, gtr, etc). as boost increases, timing and knock control also need to be modified to keep a healthy engine.

lackluster part throttle response for me means a very noticeable difference in the smoothness, part throttle boost response, and transition between low and high boost. i had the 7-4 firmware on my jb3, i adjusted the pedal mapping and other settings trying to make the part throttle better, it didn't really work though. procede is worlds better in part throttle response. one thing that would bug me on the jb3 is if i revved it over 4-5k rpms part throttle, the car responded poorly and the jb3 was trying to apply boost when it shouldn't.

and the pro board that's coming out eventually still won't have all the features the procede has. to each their own though, jb3 is definitely a good value. i wouldn't ever go back to the jb3 after driving a procede tuned car, and i think the same could be said for all procede owners that have driven both tunes. there's dozens of jb3 to procede threads/reviews, however, and for the most part they're all the same (procede ftw).

[JHOOPS2]

If spending more money makes you sleep good at night, then go with procede. JB for me.


Thanks!

-Jeff

[bryce]

Originally Posted by JHOOPS2

If spending more money makes you sleep good at night, then go with procede. JB for me.


Thanks!

-Jeff

my procede was $745 brand new directly from shiv.

a jb3 is $5xx, and you really should get the bt tool, so call it $7xx.

so for esssentially the same price, you'd rather have the jb3? cool

[JHOOPS2]

Originally Posted by bryce

my procede was $745 brand new directly from shiv.

a jb3 is $5xx, and you really should get the bt tool, so call it $7xx.

so for esssentially the same price, you'd rather have the jb3? cool

Yep.

[romak47]

jb3 was 400 including DCI for me.. pin out

[Dmacc]

Originally Posted by bryce

my procede was $745 brand new directly from shiv.

a jb3 is $5xx, and you really should get the bt tool, so call it $7xx.

so for esssentially the same price, you'd rather have the jb3? cool

If you like procede then stick to procede, no need to bash burger for their work, what's the point of trolling around Juice box threads and raining on everyone's parade?

[bmwmike335]

ok lets stop right now and get back to the topic. i was just complemting burger on their update for the G4 juice box. anyway, so is this like an official JB4? or just a 4th generation JB3. if its a new juice box are the HWP and TRQ gains the same? more? im more interested in stock gains rather then the fancy maps, switching,s and all that.

Thanks

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by bryce

my procede was $745 brand new directly from shiv.

a jb3 is $5xx, and you really should get the bt tool, so call it $7xx.

so for esssentially the same price, you'd rather have the jb3? cool

LOL the JB3 G4 is $349 for the pin out and $529 for the PnP. It includes code reading/clearing, DPFIX, adaption resets, and everything else you'll ever need. Nothing extra required. Cool that you got your V4 for $200 off the already sale price for being a previous JB owner. If not you would have paid $945 on sale or $1095 retail. For those who are new to the scene the choice will be $349/$529 for a JB3 G4 or $945/$1095 for a PROcede V4.

Also the G4 has a completely new boost control system and partial throttle control is perfect. You can hold exactly 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 psi to redline if you can hold your foot steady enough!

Mike

[JHOOPS2]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

LOL the JB3 G4 is $349 for the pin out and $529 for the PnP. It includes code reading/clearing, DPFIX, adaption resets, and everything else you'll ever need. Nothing extra required. Cool that you got your V4 for $200 off the already sale price for being a previous JB owner. If not you would have paid $945 on sale or $1095 retail. For those who are new to the scene the choice will be $349/$529 for a JB3 G4 or $945/$1095 for a PROcede V4.

Also the G4 has a completely new boost control system and partial throttle control is perfect. You can hold exactly 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 psi to redline if you can hold your foot steady enough!

Mike

Win!

[JimmyT]

N54 only or N55 too??

[Jeef Beef]

As a Procede user, this video looks promising. Good to see steering wheel controls being implemented, they are definitely very useful and fun to play with.

[shockin330i]

n55 love soon! :woot:

[bryce]

Originally Posted by Dmacc

If you like procede then stick to procede, no need to bash burger for their work, what's the point of trolling around Juice box threads and raining on everyone's parade?

sorry if my posts come off as trolling to you. i just wish i would've heard posts like that on 1addicts before i bought my jb3, it would've saved me time and money since i would've bought a procede from the beginning.

i'm not bashing bms' work, either. i think it's great they're stepping up and trying to compete with the procede. CANbus integration, built-in dpfix, code clearing/reading and autotuning are all things that vishnu has been doing for a while (and innovated for the n54). whether bms is reverse-engineering the procede or rightfully designing a better jb3 is hearsay, it'll help us all out in the long run, regardless of which tune you chose.