10-31-2010, 09:39 AM | #45 | |
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Most of those cars are not in the same price point if new. Comparing new to used is silly, lets just stop. If we want to compare new to used start a dedicated thread. Of what you have mentioned above only the Mustang is in the same price point when new, and surely does not have the handling of the 135, let alone the 1SMC. (Waiting to see how the 302 fares in the handling dpt.) Cayman S - Expensive new 60K + Z4M - Poor reviews on handling and balance. (Have driven and didn't like, I'd take a new vette over a used Z4M for the price.) M3 - Expensive Mustang - Driven, good car but handles poorly and engine response isn't strong lower in the power band, but sounds very nice. Elise - Expensive, not in same performance category, needs to be the Exige. Then add about 10K to expensive. Audi TTRS - Again cost? Most likely mid 60's as the base TTS is 47K. Also if you are throwing out competitors in the price range.... 350z - Similar cost/performance. Corvette C6 - Good if you like them, most worthy competitor at the price point. Simple fact is that most looking to buy a 1SMC are looking for a NEW car, not a used car. The most likely reason is warrantly, and reliable power from the manufacturer. I don't disagree that the cars above are good cars, but if you want a new car and not a pile of someone else's problems (and modded problems) none of the cars you listed above are an option. If you are worried about stop light to stop light, track day, and mods, get/build something like the Ariel atom and have a supercar experience. And 1 more point. Honestly if you were looking at used, why would you get an 08 Cayman over an 06 911 Carrera S for the price as they are about the same price (and still more expensive than a new 1SMC most likely.) Last edited by theblackangus; 10-31-2010 at 09:50 AM.. |
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10-31-2010, 09:53 AM | #46 |
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I believe the Lotus Elise/Exige has models in this same price range and weigh around 2,000 pounds (with fewer amenities to be sure).
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10-31-2010, 09:58 AM | #47 | |
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1. The Elise does not have the same performance as the 135 and costs more by a few thousand dollars.(47$ base if I recall currently on a current MY) 2. The Exige has a similar performance profile but starts around 60K. You show me a new Exige for 45K and Ill buy it. =) |
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10-31-2010, 11:03 AM | #48 |
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Woah - everyone is getting emotional here - looking at all the pricing though. May be I should move to the US; cars are so cheap.
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I never have and never will by a new car. There are plenty of 2yr old cars out there that were hardly used and are 40% less than new. You have to be an idiot to by brand new cars unless they are $10k-$15k new. T |
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10-31-2010, 12:42 PM | #50 |
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Then call me an idiot... Or as I see it, an enthusiast. I fully accept the economic "mistake" of buying (leasing) new, but that is not the point. I personally enjoy driving BMW's latest offerings and look forward to the 1M next summer should production numbers work in my favor.
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10-31-2010, 01:09 PM | #51 |
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Regarding the new v. used, I'm willing to pay to have a brand new car that no one has beat on. I don't want to puchase a car with evidence of wear and tear. I can understand if you're stretching to buy the most car that you can afford, or you're looking at the purchase primarily from a financial viewpoint, it makes sense, but car purchases for me are not about making financial sense. They're largely emotional. I'd rather spend the extra money on new. I don't really buy toys for myself, other than a new car every few years, so I'm willing to be a little frivilous.
If I had a bigger garage and had the time to maintain multiple cars, I would be very interested in the Cayman S or Lotus as a toy (maybe even used low miles). However, I don't want to deal with more than my and my wife's cars, so I need a daily driver that's a blast to drive but is reasonably practical. I gave some thought to the M3, but I'm not excited about owning a gas guzzler (I was surprised to see its subject to the gas guzler tax), and I want something noticeably smaller and lighter than my 335xi. However, it is tempting. The Mustang's style and interior quality just don't do it for me, but its a tremendous performance bargain. I'm willing to spend more for the right car, but based on the research I've done so far, the 1M fits the bill best for me. The reviewers have all said its a blast to drive, I can squeeze the kids into the back seat for shorter trips, and its reasonably equipped. Honestly, if the 135i had a better suspension, I'd be pretty happy getting one of those. If I can't get a 1M, I'll probably buy a 135i or 335i (or maybe even hold onto my car) until the next gen M3 comes out. I see the attractions of all the cars listed, and understand the logic about not taking the first year or two of depreciation, but for me personaly a new 1M will give me the most satisfaction. For those of you who buy any of the other cars, enjoy! I'm sure you'll have fun. Hopefully enough fun so you won't feel the need to diss other peoples choices or call them an idiot. |
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10-31-2010, 03:26 PM | #52 |
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I wonder how the Berk 135i would do on the Ring.
To think this 1M will cost less than the limited production Performance F1 135i's that were sold in Switzerland. |
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10-31-2010, 04:06 PM | #53 |
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For $50k Boss 302 Leguna Seca will destroy 1M... GT runs with M3 according to Motor Trend.
Boss 302 Leguna Seca will turn that dial to 12... - 14 inch Brembos - Recaros - high revving V8 power (many of you purist here like that) - Ford Sync (any decent audio/bluetooth/ipod integration will be added cost options on 1M) Last edited by amdmaxx; 10-31-2010 at 04:19 PM.. |
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They are making this car slower than the M3 on purpose. I would happily pay a few extra grand for a 1M that was built with the same intent the M3 was. But it isn't... As I said, it will be a good car. It will most likely beat anything in its price point. But it will NEVER be as good as it could be. |
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10-31-2010, 06:28 PM | #57 | |
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I also posted this in another thread but I'll say it here too... the price we are paying in Australia for the 1M alone is cheaper than buying both the 1M as your daily and the M3 as your weekend car in the USA!! If I lived in the States it would be a no brainer, I would happily pay a 10-15k premium over the 135i. My 135i has about that much worth of factory options on top of it's base price |
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Yes I am looking at HP figures, that's why I suggested Lotus Elise. Wakeup. What I'm trying to say is, GIVE ME 1 or 2 DARN good selling point for this car, that's puts it ahead of the similar competition, besides being Bimmer.
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Limited Build should equal "better" retained value It is a modded (factory of course) car out of the box It will outperform an out of the box 135i The price premium in the States is very small $, 135i -> 1M (not so in Aus, ~$40k - $50k US Dollars) It comes with a factory M badge (more deserving I would think than say an X5 or X6) It will look h0rn with fat 19's and pumped guards Limited slip diff lots of little things but all positive as far as I see things........ |
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As far as selling point...the 1M will be 95% of an M3 at ~75% of the price. |
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OK, I'm sure I'll prove my naivety, but here goes: What's "NCO"? The girl?
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Well, if I had an M3, I wouldn't bother selling it to be honest. I am in the market for a M car, and this just happened to catch my attention and got me feeling all giddy inside, lol.
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