FBO mods without Meth - what power?

[choppedliver]

It's getting close to bonus time at work and i'm toying with doing some proper mods (depends on the bonus). I know everyone loves the meth but I want to avoid the cost and hassle of that.

With FBO (exhaust, FMIC, charge pipe etc) and Procede what sort of numbers and cost (installed by Advan I'm thinking) would I be looking at?

Is there a solid recipe of parts/brands? Or should I just give it to Pete and some $$ and let him work it out?

I gather just a tune gives you around 225kw at the rears and some searching seemed to show you can get another 50kw with the above mods.

Mines an E88 so expect like Edwin found, the install will be a hassle.

Thanks

Byron

[skidz]

Originally Posted by choppedliver

It's getting close to bonus time at work and i'm toying with doing some proper mods (depends on the bonus). I know everyone loves the meth but I want to avoid the cost and hassle of that.

With FBO (exhaust, FMIC, charge pipe etc) and Procede what sort of numbers and cost (installed by Advan I'm thinking) would I be looking at?

Is there a solid recipe of parts/brands? Or should I just give it to Pete and some $$ and let him work it out?

I gather just a tune gives you around 225kw at the rears and some searching seemed to show you can get another 50kw with the above mods.

Mines an E88 so expect like Edwin found, the install will be a hassle.

Thanks

Byron

didnt jb4135 get 280 on just the jb4?

[froop]

Hey Byron,

Going FBO is a pretty expensive exercise but it will net you some good gains, but definitely at some cost.

Prices vary a lot depending on the brand you get. Of course quality may vary but whether the results on the dyno vary depending on how much you spend is quite arguable.

For DPs and FMICs, probably the cheapest are VRSF at about $800 without shipping. They have a pretty good rep as well. AR DPs and the more expensive FMICs such as Helix, Wagner, ER are around $800-1000 each.

Midpipes and axleback upgrade will set you down between $1000-2000 depending on what you go for as well.

Intakes also vary anywhere from $100 for BMS DCIs to a CF intake from Gruppe or Dinan at like $1800.

Install is probably going to set you back about $1500-2000 I reckon.

All up, it'll cost you from $3000 to $6000 depending on what you decide to buy and should push you up to ~260+kW with a tune. Add some meth to mix and it'll get you up to ~290+kW.

Good luck!

Alex

[froop]

Originally Posted by skidz

didnt jb4135 get 280 on just the jb4?

I believe it was ~260 however that was with an E85 mixture, though only ~20% E85/pump.

I'm sure a Procede could probably get similar numbers with some E85 as well but I haven't tried because the Procede doesn't have an autotune map for E85, only a 50:50 map. I cbf measuring it out and/or changing maps everytime I go fill up.

[choppedliver]

Originally Posted by skidz

didnt jb4135 get 280 on just the jb4?

What I've seen is that tune only will net you 225 to 230kw at the rears. Given they are rated at 225kw at the flywheel that is in improvement.

B

[choppedliver]

Originally Posted by froop

Hey Byron,

Going FBO is a pretty expensive exercise but it will net you some good gains, but definitely at some cost.

Prices vary a lot depending on the brand you get. Of course quality may vary but whether the results on the dyno vary depending on how much you spend is quite arguable.

For DPs and FMICs, probably the cheapest are VRSF at about $800 without shipping. They have a pretty good rep as well. AR DPs and the more expensive FMICs such as Helix, Wagner, ER are around $800-1000 each.

Midpipes and axleback upgrade will set you down between $1000-2000 depending on what you go for as well.

Intakes also vary anywhere from $100 for BMS DCIs to a CF intake from Gruppe or Dinan at like $1800.

Install is probably going to set you back about $1500-2000 I reckon.

All up, it'll cost you from $3000 to $6000 depending on what you decide to buy and should push you up to ~260+kW with a tune. Add some meth to mix and it'll get you up to ~290+kW.

Good luck!

Alex

Thanks. $5000 was the number i had in my head so that works for me!

B

[froop]

Originally Posted by choppedliver

What I've seen is that tune only will net you 225 to 230kw at the rears. Given they are rated at 225kw at the flywheel that is in improvement.

B

It's true that a tune 'only' will bet about 220-230kW but these tunes can run E85 mixes and pull much higher numbers without needing supportive mods. If course consistent pulls may not be so easy without an upgraded FMIC but skids is correct. I was there when Edwin's otherwise stock N54 pulled >260kW on Pete's dyno with only a JB4 and 20% E85 mix. Pretty ridiculous.

[choppedliver]

Originally Posted by froop

It's true that a tune 'only' will bet about 220-230kW but these tunes can run E85 mixes and pull much higher numbers without needing supportive mods. If course consistent pulls may not be so easy without an upgraded FMIC but skids is correct. I was there when Edwin's otherwise stock N54 pulled >260kW on Pete's dyno with only a JB4 and 20% E85 mix. Pretty ridiculous.

Wow I did not know that. Perhaps I need or the occassional 50:50 mix with the procede. Mind you i've never even plugged in the laptop so I'm guessing it's a fiddle to do that.

I guess I need to decide if I want 260kw or so all the time or just when I can fiddle around with the fuel!

B

[froop]

Originally Posted by choppedliver

Wow I did not know that. Perhaps I need or the occassional 50:50 mix with the procede. Mind you i've never even plugged in the laptop so I'm guessing it's a fiddle to do that.

I guess I need to decide if I want 260kw or so all the time or just when I can fiddle around with the fuel!

B

You will want to route a USB cord through the firewall from the Procede inside the ECU box into the glove box so that you can just do it from inside the car on the go. Once you've done that it's easy to connect up to the unit anytime and change the maps as long as you have a laptop in the car.

The only laptop I have is a 6kg 17" Alienware so I really can't be arsed taking it with me everywhere I go lol. That and I've got meth so I don't really need E85.

But yeah, if you only want the power every now and then E85 is the way to go. Fill up and head to the drag strip, use up the tank and then back to 98 for daily driving duties.

I know you said you don't really want meth, but really, once it's installed it's set and forget. Just gotta remember to refill it every now and then. Meth is cheap too. I've probably only used 5L since I got the car 3 months ago and I drive over 100km each day to work. I guess I don't get on the throttle too much during those trips so I don't use that much meth. It does get sucked up pretty quickly at the strip or track but yeah, it's only around $1.50 a litre.

[Drawn05]

The Cobb E30 map gained just under 30rwkw over the Stage 2+ aggressive tune on 98RON.

Dyno numbers are a bit tricky when it comes to comparing results of car A to car B.

With N55 mids, Procede, HPF FMIC, aftermarket air filter and Yoko AD08s my car made 268rwkw on the same dyno about a year ago.

With DPs, Mr 5 intake and softer tyres it only made 263rwkw. But on the drag strip I picked up 3-4mph on trap speed.

Also, if you want to cut costs I would be trying to swoop on the people trying to part out. I am sure Peter could let you know if a client wants to part out and you could save a bit of money.

[bsm135]

Jb4, Ar downpipes, and an axle back exhaust got me 260kw on Map 5 with a bit of E85. About 30% mix.

Had a charge pipe, but had stock air intake in for the run.

For that setup you'd be looking at around $2000 in parts without labour.

[flinchy]

as above there's a huge range of pricing

cheapest reliable DP's would probably be BMS around the $3xx mark

cheapest FMIC would be the 'big tom' for ... $300ish? but you have to do a LOT of cutting to get it in

$800-$1000 for other FMIC's is an outright rort.

midpipes aren't usually done for anything other than sound or squeezing out that last tiny bit?

berk axle-back and custom midpipes wouldn't set you back more than .. well say even $500-$60 for the custom SS mids? $400 is usually about berk street axleback price?

and you could go a cobb instead of procede for probably a similar price and tune considering you don't want meth... or a JB4 for a little less.

but the $2-$3k mark should be spot on for reasonable priced parts installed i'd say?

[JB4-335]

Originally Posted by choppedliver

It's getting close to bonus time at work and i'm toying with doing some proper mods (depends on the bonus). I know everyone loves the meth but I want to avoid the cost and hassle of that.

With FBO (exhaust, FMIC, charge pipe etc) and Procede what sort of numbers and cost (installed by Advan I'm thinking) would I be looking at?

Is there a solid recipe of parts/brands? Or should I just give it to Pete and some $$ and let him work it out?

I gather just a tune gives you around 225kw at the rears and some searching seemed to show you can get another 50kw with the above mods.

Mines an E88 so expect like Edwin found, the install will be a hassle.

Thanks

Byron

Hey Byron, Just get a set of DP's and IC and if you have access to E85 you'll be GTG.

Regarding installs unfortunately as you know I learnt the hard way from IC to axleback's to Mr 5 intake that the E88 is braced like a mofo in every corner and crack BMW could they stuck some kind of metal which made my life more difficult.

Look forward to catching up again at WSID on the 12th.

Originally Posted by skidz

didnt jb4135 get 280 on just the jb4?

262wkw on a tune and only 20-25% E85.

Originally Posted by froop

It's true that a tune 'only' will bet about 220-230kW but these tunes can run E85 mixes and pull much higher numbers without needing supportive mods. If course consistent pulls may not be so easy without an upgraded FMIC but skids is correct. I was there when Edwin's otherwise stock N54 pulled >260kW on Pete's dyno with only a JB4 and 20% E85 mix. Pretty ridiculous.

Ridiculous was when your car came of the dyno and took half the floor paint with it.