Just agreed on this deal for a 2006 325i

azzurribaggio · 04-02-2006, 10:15 PM

2006 325i (E90)
Invoice Price Description
$28,120.00 base
$1,210.00 steptronic 6-speed automatic
$1,820.00 On-board Navigation System w/voice recognition
$2,640.00 ZPP Premium Package
$730.00 Xenon headlights
$- Jet Black Exterior/Black Interior
$70.00 Satellite Radio Prep

$34,590.00 Net Total

$695.00 Destination
$400.00 MACO
$180.00 Training Service Fee

$35,865.00 Total Suggested Price

$500.00 Dealer markup

$36,365.00 Vehicle price
$97.50 Floor Mats
$45.00 Doc Fee

$36,507.50 Total Taxable
$3,011.87 8.25% CA. sales tax

$293.00 License fees

$39,812.37 OTD (Out The Door Price)

$584 for the alarm install......I think it's a decent deal. I asked for free floor mats, but the most he would give is a free tank of gas

, I told him I can fart my own way home

comments?

Marven · 04-03-2006, 08:43 AM

Dude, your getting ripped....what is the "training fee", "doc fee" and they are charging your for floor mats? I also got tank of gas and two key chains...tell your rep that he wont be gettting any 5's on the survey...these are bogus fee's.

M.

KL2DC · 04-03-2006, 08:47 AM

I think CA buyers have a hard time working around the MACO & Training Fees...the deal looks ok. If its worth the trouble I'd push for less dealer markup (in light of the MACO/Training Fees), floor mats thrown in!!, and what's the deal with the $293 in licensing fees???!!! Also I would push for nothing more than $500 alarm incl install....

azzurribaggio · 04-03-2006, 06:37 PM

I think us Cali buyers have a harder time especially in the Bay Area, the truth is there are too many affluent people out here who won't haggle over $400-500, so the dealers know they don't have to bend over to get your business if you're nickel and diming them too much...

At this point I ask myself I'm buying a $40,000 car and I don't wanna haggle over $300-400 ya know?

If you're in other parts of the country feel lucky that you have more negotiating power.....

UPDATE: Damn another dealer just came back with $250 over invoice

what do I do??

Krockit · 04-03-2006, 10:41 PM

At a glance I noticed your ZPP invoice $$ is high-it's actually $2,000. You might check the rest of your options at www.edmunds.com. Edmunds won't show you the extra costs BMW places on the dealer (MACO, training.) I'm having a hell of a time here in the midwest getting around those, too. So far my best deal on a 330i looks to be $1020 over invoice. SA I talked to today insists MACO and Training are non-negotiable with BMWUSA. Good Luck.

Punamo · 04-04-2006, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Krockit

At a glance I noticed your ZPP invoice $$ is high-it's actually $2,000. You might check the rest of your options at www.edmunds.com. Edmunds won't show you the extra costs BMW places on the dealer (MACO, training.) I'm having a hell of a time here in the midwest getting around those, too. So far my best deal on a 330i looks to be $1020 over invoice. SA I talked to today insists MACO and Training are non-negotiable with BMWUSA. Good Luck.

Same here I'm in Northern IL and I'm getting invoice+maco($250)+profit($750)+doc fee($57) so I'm essentially paying $1050 over. Dealer argued that maco is part of invoice, I'm half agreeing but ok'ed the deal because I'm just looking for a fair price.

Sp82 · 04-04-2006, 07:41 AM

you are getting ripped, I just took delivery of my car last thursday after 7 weeks of waiting. Dealer threw in mats, keyring, chrome tips..and gas (dont they all fill the car up?)...seriously on those 5's, dont give them!

smellygas · 04-04-2006, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Krockit

At a glance I noticed your ZPP invoice $$ is high-it's actually $2,000. You might check the rest of your options at www.edmunds.com. Edmunds won't show you the extra costs BMW places on the dealer (MACO, training.) I'm having a hell of a time here in the midwest getting around those, too. So far my best deal on a 330i looks to be $1020 over invoice. SA I talked to today insists MACO and Training are non-negotiable with BMWUSA. Good Luck.

His ZPP invoice price is correct.

SmellyGas

Krockit · 04-04-2006, 12:23 PM

Yep, I stand corrected. $2,000 invoice on ZPP is for 330i.

selm · 04-04-2006, 12:32 PM

I am actually shocked that $293 is the licensce fee. I am in San Diego and the DMV had my 325i with a purchase price much lower than yours (lighter equiped car) and my fees were $345. I even called the DMV to make sure that the dealer didn't over charge me and take it as profit and everything checked out.

azzurribaggio · 04-04-2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by vikz

you are getting ripped, I just took delivery of my car last thursday after 7 weeks of waiting. Dealer threw in mats, keyring, chrome tips..and gas (dont they all fill the car up?)...seriously on those 5's, dont give them!

Like I said, Atlanta is a long ways away from The Bay Area , CA....we live here we know...

azzurribaggio · 04-04-2006, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by azzurribaggio

2006 325i (E90)
Invoice Price Description
$28,120.00 base
$1,210.00 steptronic 6-speed automatic
$1,820.00 On-board Navigation System w/voice recognition
$2,640.00 ZPP Premium Package
$730.00 Xenon headlights
$- Jet Black Exterior/Black Interior
$70.00 Satellite Radio Prep

$34,590.00 Net Total

$695.00 Destination
$400.00 MACO
$180.00 Training Service Fee

$35,865.00 Total Suggested Price

$500.00 Dealer markup

$36,365.00 Vehicle price
$97.50 Floor Mats
$45.00 Doc Fee

$36,507.50 Total Taxable
$3,011.87 8.25% CA. sales tax

$293.00 License fees

$39,812.37 OTD (Out The Door Price)

$584 for the alarm install......I think it's a decent deal. I asked for free floor mats, but the most he would give is a free tank of gas

, I told him I can fart my own way home

comments?

*** UPDATE ***
I showed this invoice to another dealer, he's willing to match plus free floor mats? Should I say no to the other dealer and go with the free mats?
$39706.82 would be my new out the door price...

canucklion · 04-04-2006, 05:00 PM

haha, you really need to ask? of course go with the one giving you the best offer.

canucklion · 04-04-2006, 05:01 PM

don't feel bad about 'hurting' the original salesman's feeling if you choose another one.

azzurribaggio · 04-04-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by canucklion

don't feel bad about 'hurting' the original salesman's feeling if you choose another one.

yeah I know....I did send him an email saying I agreed to the deal ,BUT no deposit has been put down yet....this is srtictly a bizznezz thang

smellygas · 04-05-2006, 10:53 PM

Your deal is good, but not excellent. I don't think you'll have a problem getting that deal matched elsewhere in the B.A. But here's the thing...you've already consumed considerable time at dealer A negotiating a price, and you already AGREED on it. It's kind of piss-poor to take your business elsewhere for a set of free floor mats. OF COURSE dealer B is going to match the price and throw in the floor mats because 1) he hasn't invested/lost ANY time in you and 2) your deal is still quite profitable for them. ...but it's a bad-faith move on your part to do so. How would YOU like it if YOUR dealer rescinded his offer to you?? And what business do you have still shopping around once you've already agreed to a deal with dealer A!? very very unscrupulous.

SmellyGas

E90_driver · 04-05-2006, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by smellygas

And what business do you have still shopping around once you've already agreed to a deal with dealer A!? very very unscrupulous.

SmellyGas

IMO it's a great bargaining tool...you tell them if they meet a specific price you'll agree to that deal and you take that to the next dealership and beat them down with that and do the same thing and go to another dealership and so on until you've exhausted your resources or have come upon an amount that dealers start refusing then you know you've gotten a rock bottom price. And I have absolutely no problem w/ screwing a salesperson if I am getting a better deal elsewhere even if I did verbally agree to a deal. I'm trying to pay as little as I can for this...every penny saved is an extra penny that remains in my possession...and when it comes to money....you have no allies! Trust no one...money is king--if you can get something for less elsewhere--go there. Not trying to flame on anyone, just my thoughts and what I've done in the past.

marketman · 04-06-2006, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by E90_driver

IMO it's a great bargaining tool...you tell them if they meet a specific price you'll agree to that deal and you take that to the next dealership and beat them down with that and do the same thing and go to another dealership and so on until you've exhausted your resources or have come upon an amount that dealers start refusing then you know you've gotten a rock bottom price. And I have absolutely no problem w/ screwing a salesperson if I am getting a better deal elsewhere even if I did verbally agree to a deal. I'm trying to pay as little as I can for this...every penny saved is an extra penny that remains in my possession...and when it comes to money....you have no allies! Trust no one...money is king--if you can get something for less elsewhere--go there. Not trying to flame on anyone, just my thoughts and what I've done in the past.

And where is your ally(CA) when you need him ?

He runs from you when you need help.

azzurribaggio · 04-06-2006, 03:55 PM

I didn't screw my saleman, I stuck with my deal eventhough I know I could've played the game a gotten probably $250 over invoice for the same car and gotten the alarm for a bit cheaper....but at this point my time is money and for a ~$500 savings it's not worth it for me.
But that's just me, and now I expect my dealer to kiss my arse till it's nice and shiny......

smellygas · 04-21-2006, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by E90_driver

IMO it's a great bargaining tool...you tell them if they meet a specific price you'll agree to that deal and you take that to the next dealership and beat them down with that and do the same thing and go to another dealership and so on until you've exhausted your resources or have come upon an amount that dealers start refusing then you know you've gotten a rock bottom price. And I have absolutely no problem w/ screwing a salesperson if I am getting a better deal elsewhere even if I did verbally agree to a deal. I'm trying to pay as little as I can for this...every penny saved is an extra penny that remains in my possession...and when it comes to money....you have no allies! Trust no one...money is king--if you can get something for less elsewhere--go there. Not trying to flame on anyone, just my thoughts and what I've done in the past.

I mean, that's fine, but it definitely represents a complete lack of class on your part, in my opinion. I have no problem with asking other dealers to match/beat a price, but you should not make a commitement that you don't intend to keep. It's 100% selfish, represents a lack of good faith, and it demonstrates a complete lack of respect for other people.

I mean listen to yourself..."I'm trying to pay as little as I can for this...every penny saved is an extra penny that remains in my possession...and when it comes to money....you have no allies!" When people stereotype "BMW-driving a$$holes," this is the kind of person they're talking about.

SmellyGas

BayAreaBMWFan · 04-22-2006, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by smellygas

I mean, that's fine, but it definitely represents a complete lack of class on your part, in my opinion. I have no problem with asking other dealers to match/beat a price, but you should not make a commitement that you don't intend to keep. It's 100% selfish, represents a lack of good faith, and it demonstrates a complete lack of respect for other people.

I mean listen to yourself..."I'm trying to pay as little as I can for this...every penny saved is an extra penny that remains in my possession...and when it comes to money....you have no allies!" When people stereotype "BMW-driving a$$holes," this is the kind of person they're talking about.

SmellyGas

antidentite · 04-24-2006, 03:45 PM

Irrespective of scruples, you should be considering any special services that the dealer may offer after the sale. Items like a free rental car while your car is in the shop, free car washes, even airport parking can add to the value of your deal.

My closest dealer offers these services, which is much more valuable to me than a set of floor mats.

I would weigh these options into the deal as well to get the total effective price of the deal.

04-02-2006, 10:15 PM	#1
azzurribaggio Second Lieutenant 19 Rep 254 Posts Drives: 2004 330ci E46/2006 325i E90 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Norcal iTrader: (1)	Just agreed on this deal for a 2006 325i 2006 325i (E90) Invoice Price Description $28,120.00 base $1,210.00 steptronic 6-speed automatic $1,820.00 On-board Navigation System w/voice recognition $2,640.00 ZPP Premium Package $730.00 Xenon headlights $- Jet Black Exterior/Black Interior $70.00 Satellite Radio Prep $34,590.00 Net Total $695.00 Destination $400.00 MACO $180.00 Training Service Fee $35,865.00 Total Suggested Price $500.00 Dealer markup $36,365.00 Vehicle price $97.50 Floor Mats $45.00 Doc Fee $36,507.50 Total Taxable $3,011.87 8.25% CA. sales tax $293.00 License fees $39,812.37 OTD (Out The Door Price) $584 for the alarm install......I think it's a decent deal. I asked for free floor mats, but the most he would give is a free tank of gas , I told him I can fart my own way home comments?
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04-03-2006, 08:43 AM	#2
Marven First Lieutenant 37 Rep 349 Posts Drives: 2006 E90 Sedan Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: TeeDot! iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 330i [0.00]	Dude, your getting ripped....what is the "training fee", "doc fee" and they are charging your for floor mats? I also got tank of gas and two key chains...tell your rep that he wont be gettting any 5's on the survey...these are bogus fee's. M. __________________
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azzurribaggio Second Lieutenant 19 Rep 254 Posts Drives: 2004 330ci E46/2006 325i E90 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Norcal iTrader: (1)	I think us Cali buyers have a harder time especially in the Bay Area, the truth is there are too many affluent people out here who won't haggle over $400-500, so the dealers know they don't have to bend over to get your business if you're nickel and diming them too much... At this point I ask myself I'm buying a $40,000 car and I don't wanna haggle over $300-400 ya know? If you're in other parts of the country feel lucky that you have more negotiating power..... UPDATE: Damn another dealer just came back with $250 over invoice what do I do?? Last edited by azzurribaggio; 04-03-2006 at 07:55 PM..
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04-03-2006, 10:41 PM	#5
Krockit Second Lieutenant 16 Rep 210 Posts Drives: 06 330i, 03 Boxster Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Wisconsin iTrader: (0)	Invoice prices are incorrect At a glance I noticed your ZPP invoice $$ is high-it's actually $2,000. You might check the rest of your options at www.edmunds.com. Edmunds won't show you the extra costs BMW places on the dealer (MACO, training.) I'm having a hell of a time here in the midwest getting around those, too. So far my best deal on a 330i looks to be $1020 over invoice. SA I talked to today insists MACO and Training are non-negotiable with BMWUSA. Good Luck.
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Sp82 Colonel 166 Rep 2,000 Posts Drives: F15 X5/G30 5er Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: DFW, Tx iTrader: (1)	you are getting ripped, I just took delivery of my car last thursday after 7 weeks of waiting. Dealer threw in mats, keyring, chrome tips..and gas (dont they all fill the car up?)...seriously on those 5's, dont give them!
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04-04-2006, 12:23 PM	#9
Krockit Second Lieutenant 16 Rep 210 Posts Drives: 06 330i, 03 Boxster Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Wisconsin iTrader: (0)	Yep, I stand corrected. $2,000 invoice on ZPP is for 330i.
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04-04-2006, 12:32 PM	#10
selm Fight On! 8 Rep 236 Posts Drives: 2006 325i Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: SD, CA iTrader: (0)	I am actually shocked that $293 is the licensce fee. I am in San Diego and the DMV had my 325i with a purchase price much lower than yours (lighter equiped car) and my fees were $345. I even called the DMV to make sure that the dealer didn't over charge me and take it as profit and everything checked out.
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canucklion pull my finger to get your kinder® surprise 148 Rep 10,455 Posts Drives: circles around you Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada iTrader: (9)	haha, you really need to ask? of course go with the one giving you the best offer.
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canucklion pull my finger to get your kinder® surprise 148 Rep 10,455 Posts Drives: circles around you Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada iTrader: (9)	don't feel bad about 'hurting' the original salesman's feeling if you choose another one.
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04-05-2006, 10:53 PM	#16
smellygas Private First Class 13 Rep 142 Posts Drives: '06 325i (very soon) Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: San Francisco, CA iTrader: (0)	Your deal is good, but not excellent. I don't think you'll have a problem getting that deal matched elsewhere in the B.A. But here's the thing...you've already consumed considerable time at dealer A negotiating a price, and you already AGREED on it. It's kind of piss-poor to take your business elsewhere for a set of free floor mats. OF COURSE dealer B is going to match the price and throw in the floor mats because 1) he hasn't invested/lost ANY time in you and 2) your deal is still quite profitable for them. ...but it's a bad-faith move on your part to do so. How would YOU like it if YOUR dealer rescinded his offer to you?? And what business do you have still shopping around once you've already agreed to a deal with dealer A!? very very unscrupulous. SmellyGas
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azzurribaggio Second Lieutenant 19 Rep 254 Posts Drives: 2004 330ci E46/2006 325i E90 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Norcal iTrader: (1)	I didn't screw my saleman, I stuck with my deal eventhough I know I could've played the game a gotten probably $250 over invoice for the same car and gotten the alarm for a bit cheaper....but at this point my time is money and for a ~$500 savings it's not worth it for me. But that's just me, and now I expect my dealer to kiss my arse till it's nice and shiny......
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antidentite Second Lieutenant 18 Rep 269 Posts Drives: See signature Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Belleuve, WA iTrader: (0)	Irrespective of scruples, you should be considering any special services that the dealer may offer after the sale. Items like a free rental car while your car is in the shop, free car washes, even airport parking can add to the value of your deal. My closest dealer offers these services, which is much more valuable to me than a set of floor mats. I would weigh these options into the deal as well to get the total effective price of the deal.
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