1M Coupe Weighs in at 3,351 Pounds With Full Tank of Gas

[Mu Mu]

e46 M3 FTW. I still want to get one!

[Papethova]

3351lbs is only 9lbs less than my manual 135 at 3360lbs

[e85sbm]

Originally Posted by -=Hot|Ice=-

Back to BMW's M roots my ass. That's only 300 pounds lighter then a e92 M3. Come one BMW, get with the program...the heavier your cars are the more tech you have to cram into the car to make it save gas. Make it lighter, and it will naturally save gas. It's really not that hard to understand.

Audi and Mercedes are both losing weight.

I really don't understand why there is so many comparisons to the E46. Yes, the 1M is about the same size, same hp, etc. But that is almost the same as comparing the E92 to the E36 M3. 10+ years of progress, development and technologies (airbags, crumple zones, ABS, etc)

Taking these safety advancements into consideration, the added weight is justified, BUT the best comparison would be between an equally spec'd 135 and the 1M to see how much weight was shaved

Just my opinion!

[Raine]

Originally Posted by Papethova

3351lbs is only 9lbs less than my manual 135 at 3360lbs

You forgot the gas.

[roo97ss]

looks like it's a stripped version too, according to the other thread. So that means adding the usual options will probably bring it to 3400 + my 190 approx 3600. Not a lightweight, but that's the problem with the 1 in general, for the size it's too heavy, the e46 had better back seats, a trunk that was the same size with a full size spare (in the non M), and the same airbags, DSC, etc.

[turbo8765]

I delta of 300 compared to the e92 M3 has been quoted several times.

I have corner scales very similar to those pictured.

My e92 M3 is loaded w sunroof, and with a 5/8 tank of gas was 3580 on my scales.

It has been noted that this 1M is missing some options, so it looks like for comparably equipped cars, the delta may be closer to 200# than 300#.

My e92 has prem package, sun roof, enhanced audio, heated seats etc etc, essentially everything except power rear sun shade and active cruise.

It is a 6 speed.

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

Originally Posted by e85sbm

I really don't understand why there is so many comparisons to the E46. Yes, the 1M is about the same size, same hp, etc. But that is almost the same as comparing the E92 to the E36 M3. 10 years of progress, development and technologies (airbags, crumple zones, ABS, etc)

Taking these safety advancements into consideration, the added weight is justified, BUT the best comparison would be between an equally spec'd 135 and the 1M to see how much weight was shaved

Just my opinion!

Better go rethink that opinion of yours.

-Porsche.

[Canexican]

Am I the only one that is disappointed that they gave the 1M a mere 35 more hp than a standard 135i? I know this doesn't directly correlate to the subject of weight, but the best way to combat a portly car is give it more power!

I just think its sad that it only has 2 more hp than the E46 M3 with a similar curb weight - especially given the potential of the N54. I'm guessing BMW is factoring in that the E9x M3 is a torqueless pig and they don't want the power:weight ratio of the 1M to embarass the current gen M3.

Still though, the E46 3 series saw a 108hp increase between standard 3 and M model, and 114hp increase between 335i and M3. I'm not implying the 1 should see 100+hp increase, but 50hp seems like a better number than +35hp. M for marketing.

[Papethova]

Originally Posted by Raine

You forgot the gas.

No thats with a full tank of gas

[Robert]

I still rather own a E46 CSL replica in the states. Naturally aspirated, light weight, visually more pleasing

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Canexican

Am I the only one that is disappointed that they gave the 1M a mere 35 more hp than a standard 135i? I know this doesn't directly correlate to the subject of weight, but the best way to combat a portly car is give it more power!

I just think its sad that it only has 2 more hp than the E46 M3 with a similar curb weight - especially given the potential of the N54. I'm guessing BMW is factoring in that the E9x M3 is a torqueless pig and they don't want the power:weight ratio of the 1M to embarass the current gen M3.

Still though, the E46 3 series saw a 108hp increase between standard 3 and M model, and 114hp increase between 335i and M3. I'm not implying the 1 should see 100+hp increase, but 50hp seems like a better number than +35hp. M for marketing.

Apparently YOU should be in Marketing, as you are asking for an inflated figure that LOOKS NICE. yes, a 50hp increase is a nice round number.. But wait a sec.. Take a gander at the dyno plots here.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...467373&page=11

note the 40 plus hp (at the wheels mind you) increase in the N54is motor vs the earlier N54 motors. Also, it remains to be seen if there are other gains for the 1M vs the N54is motor. By the way.. 40hp at the wheels.. is easily 50 hp.. so now that I found it for you, maybe you can brighten up a bit lol.

Also.. keep in mind that there is a lot more potential available via aftermarket tuning. A mere $999 or so to Cobb or proceed will net the 100 plus hp gain that you are looking for and put the figures right up there with your Mitsu Evo (a nice car in it's own right) but the 1M will return the RWD fun factor that the AWD boost buggies like the Scooby STI and your Mitsu ( note: I also own a Legacy GT turbo... it's seen one day at the track )

Why did BMW M leave a lot on the table for the aftermarket to reap? Based on the fact that the 1M and it's N54 motor is going to just squeak under the 2012 CAFE wire, I am going to imagine issues with European corporate average emissions are the reason for leaving the BIG POWA to the aftermarket.

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Apparently YOU should join be in Marketing, as you are asking for an inflated figure that LOOKS NICE. yes, a 50hp increase is a nice round number.. But wait a sec.. Take a gander at the dyno plots here.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...467373&page=11

note the 40 plus hp (at the wheels mind you) increase in the N54is motor vs the earlier N54 motors. Also, it remains to be seen if there are other gains for the 1M vs the N54is motor. By the way.. 40hp at the wheels.. is easily 50 hp.. so now that I found it for you, maybe you can brighten up a bit lol.

Also.. keep in mind that there is a lot more potential available via aftermarket tuning. A mere $999 or so to Cobb or proceed will net the 100 plus hp gain that you are looking for and put the figures right up there with your Mitsu Evo (a nice car in it's own right) but the 1M will return the RWD fun factor that the AWD boost buggies like the Scooby STI and your Mitsu ( note: I also own a Legacy GT turbo... it's seen one day at the track )

Why did BMW M leave a lot on the table for the aftermarket to reap? Based on the fact that the 1M and it's N54 motor is going to just squeak under the 2012 CAFE wire, I am going to imagine issues with European corporate average emissions are the reason for leaving the BIG POWA to the aftermarket.

In addition to the AREA UNDER THE CURVE, it is torque that moves a vehicle.

Would all the HP naysayers be happy if they gave it 50% more peak HP and left the TQ the same as the S54? This engine has dyno plot lines of a small block V8.

T

[SpeedballTrix]

Originally Posted by BimmerEngineer

Not enough of a difference from a 3/4 tank of gas to a 1/4 tank to run this way at the track...

If you put only .5gal into your 14 gal tank thats only 4 pounds.
If you just run it at whatever you have (statistically we can assume thats half a tank, 7 gallons) thats 42 pounds.
Anyone who runs enough to run consistently within ±.1s (on the same day with the same (optimal) setup) will tell you that the extra 38 pounds will make a difference on the board.
It may not be much, but if you run an 11.005 and then you look down at your dash and see you have an extra 40 pounds of fuel underneath you, trust me you'll be pissed at yourself.

But anyway the point was to validate the BMW claim by pointing out that their estimate plus a tank of gas equals what has been proven.
so clearly when they said "It'll be under 3300 pounds" they weren't BSing us.

[Canexican]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Apparently YOU should be in Marketing, as you are asking for an inflated figure that LOOKS NICE. yes, a 50hp increase is a nice round number.. But wait a sec.. Take a gander at the dyno plots here.


http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...467373&page=11

note the 40 plus hp (at the wheels mind you) increase in the N54is motor vs the earlier N54 motors. Also, it remains to be seen if there are other gains for the 1M vs the N54is motor. By the way.. 40hp at the wheels.. is easily 50 hp.. so now that I found it for you, maybe you can brighten up a bit lol.

Also.. keep in mind that there is a lot more potential available via aftermarket tuning. A mere $999 or so to Cobb or proceed will net the 100 plus hp gain that you are looking for and put the figures right up there with your Mitsu Evo (a nice car in it's own right) but the 1M will return the RWD fun factor that the AWD boost buggies like the Scooby STI and your Mitsu ( note: I also own a Legacy GT turbo... it's seen one day at the track )

Why did BMW M leave a lot on the table for the aftermarket to reap? Based on the fact that the 1M and it's N54 motor is going to just squeak under the 2012 CAFE wire, I am going to imagine issues with European corporate average emissions are the reason for leaving the BIG POWA to the aftermarket.

40 hp increases early in the power band yes, but peak power gain of only 11hp. They just increased the boost of the little turbos a couple of psi. To me, that is not a significant enough reworking to justify the engine as an M motor.

If you are paying that kind of money for an M, you should get an M. They could have done more is all I'm saying. You should not have to immediately run to the aftermarket, thus voiding that nice warranty, just to get it to the power levels it should have come with from the factory.

Oh, and considering BMW is making 5000lb SUV's with 555hp, I'm sure they could have squeaked out a few more and still complied with CAFE.

[Kurt_OH]

As soon as you start talking aftermarket tune/suspension/what-e-ver, you're no longer talking about a 1M. You're just racing wallets then, and who gives a fuck what you started with? You can take a Prius and CRUSH ANY BMW/PORSCHE/LAMBO with a fat enough wallet. BFD.

[///M1]

I got the US paper brochure for the 1 ///M last night.

Unladen weight was quoted at 3362lbs (not 3351 as per this thread), vs. 3373lbs in the 2008 brochure for a manual 135i. That a total savings of...11lbs

[///M1]

BTW, weight distribution has also been improved, which is also important to note, even closer to 50-50 now.

51.7%/48.3% for the 1 ///M
52.3%/47.7% for the 135i (manual)

[Canexican]

Originally Posted by formula M

Cynical?

Statement makes no sense... as the 1M is physically bigger car than the 135i, yet is lighter. So BMW M has indeed done their homework and reduced the over-all weight of the car.

Secondly, it where the weight is located... the M Coupe has an all new unibody front end, beefier tranny, etc..


The 1M coupe is a platform. I am quite sure that BMW will offer performance kits for the M coupe in the future. That way, YOU can put ur money where your mouth is.

Also, as we all know they never release the actual HP figures. So if your hung-up over horsepower, don't be... the 1M is already nearly as quick as the 911 from 0~ 200km/h.

Yet you complain about a static figure... & justification? No need to be cynical & fearfull.

Did you see me griping about the chassis/suspension modifications? No. I'm fully aware of the lessened curb weight, slightly wider wheels/tires, suspension tuning, and drivetrain modification. Thats a given for M cars.

Bottom line is, the car is still not that light for its size and THE MOTOR is not what I would consider an M motor. Its an N54 with a couple more psi. You can tell by the dyno plots that it still tends to run out of steam towards the top of the powerband - they could have reworked the intake, camshaft, exhaust, etc. to get it to breath better up top. Thus, giving it a higher redline and more traditional M-like engine characteristics.

I'm not saying its a slow car. I'm not saying that the as advertised hp figures are necessarily accurate. I'm saying that they could have paid more attention to the motor. If you can get more power/torque out of the standard 135i N54 with just a JB3 reflash, then it shouldnt be considered an M motor. Would you have considered the M3 an M3 if it had an N54 and 35 more hp than the stock 335i?

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by e85sbm

I really don't understand why there is so many comparisons to the E46. Yes, the 1M is about the same size, same hp, etc. But that is almost the same as comparing the E92 to the E36 M3. 10+ years of progress, development and technologies (airbags, crumple zones, ABS, etc)

Taking these safety advancements into consideration, the added weight is justified, BUT the best comparison would be between an equally spec'd 135 and the 1M to see how much weight was shaved

Just my opinion!

you just answered your own question

[Raine]

If you really want a light sports car, go buy a used Porsche.

I don't see what all the griping is all about. With increasingly stricter emission standards, safety regulations and costs involved, everyone wants lighter cars but you're going to have to pay more for it.

Everyone's dream car is a <3000lb, luxurious, super light, amazing handling, all weather daily driver. Something's gotta give.

[Canexican]

Originally Posted by Raine

If you really want a light sports car, go buy a used Porsche.

I don't see what all the griping is all about. With increasingly stricter emission standards, safety regulations and costs involved, everyone wants lighter cars but you're going to have to pay more for it.

Everyone's dream car is a <3000lb, luxurious, super light, amazing handling, all weather daily driver. Something's gotta give.

Porsche? If I was going to pay that much I'd get a used (or new) Noble.

Its understandable that cars are getting portlier, but manufacturers are going to have to start finding ways to combine lightweight with safety (and luxury). BMWs (and Audi's) have become gigantic over the past decade. Either make them smaller or use lighter weight materials. If you have to pay more for it, so be it. At least you will be getting more fun from your car.

The weight of the 1M isn't bad...especially compared with the weight of the M3.

[Brandon26pdx]

Originally Posted by ninesixtwo

No. I reckon my E46 M3 with sunroof and full tank of gas and no driver was 3450 lb.

Totally. No way a E46M weighed less than 3350. Maybe some stripped out CSL version, but surely not any US spec cars with all the heavy luxo crap.