Who has ordered a 1M?

[05C4R]

Originally Posted by takahashi

Not sure the 1M or WAY's second hand M3. i am very likely tom get to the latter!

didn't WAY only just get the m3? has he got any more cars he's getting rid of i'm up for the spyder

[Alpine*]

Originally Posted by beemer

didn't WAY only just get the m3? has he got any more cars he's getting rid of i'm up for the spyder

hahahaha, that's gone, he is on his 2nd GT3 since the spyder.

All bow down to WAY

[Orlin]

Originally Posted by AlpineM3E92

hahahaha, that's gone, he is on his 2nd GT3 since the spyder.

All bow down to WAY

I am obviously in the wrong industry

[alik01]

We all are

[Alpine*]

Forgot to mention, for those who are able to use it, the EPP (corporate program) is now offering 4 years 60,000k free services (as opposed to the old 2 year 25,000k).

[takahashi]

Originally Posted by AlpineM3E92

taka, you can buy this in or say 12 months

OK. Let me know ... I have to say knowing how WAY drive makes his cars very appealing, even it is Mrs WAY's car strictly speaking,

[takahashi]

EVEN I cannot keep up with WAY's car news. I had lunch with himlast month and he picked up 2 cars GT3 and the M3 since then. I think the E class may go soon. E63 that is...

[andrew@southernBM]

Incredible. I wonder what the other hand is doing?

[Jaguar66]

Originally Posted by TimMc

Well me to start with... I do have several books and mags reviewing and comparing these models so I can quote some names and publications if needed. Just start googling M3 though and read the reviews.

• The E30 was the first M3 which seems to make it more collectible.
• Try comparing on-line prices for E30 and E36 M3s. E30's, particularly the Evo's, seem to be doing much better.
• To a much larger extent than the E36 it won mutilple touring car championships around the world, often against bigger more powerful cars.
• It's significantly lighter than the E36 and generally considered to be a better looker.
• It's considered to be more of a raw "track" car whereas the E36 has been said to be more of a "grand tourer".

You haven't read my review, here it is in a nutshell.

I owned both, an '88 E30M3, and a '95 E36M3 LTW (Lightweight). I loved the E36 more than the E30. Reason, the engine was more powerful, more torque, less buzzy, and the car was a better road car. The E30 was a cool car, the steering was awesome, but in my book the E36s engine made for a better road car. Being an LTW, designed for track use, it was a better track car then the E30. E30 was lighter, but the 3.0L DOHC 6 was soooo much smoother, and the E36 extra torque out did the lighter weight of the E30. I think at the time the E36 M3 was one of the best braking cars in the world.

I like the looks of both cars equally.

Being a special E36 also made it more collectable than the E30. Probably more than an EVO.

Others may not agree, but I only speak from experience.

I miss this car.

[TimMc]

Nice car Rob. I can see why you miss it.

[fontana302]

The 1M is a Wank to run out the tail end of the 1 series. Put a JB3 on your 135i & you're way in front in all aspects. If you like add an intake & cat back.

The 135 is an M3 eater already with these mods.................

Unless you have an ego problem & like to spend money. I've had them both simultaneously so I know from experience.

[Alpine*]

Originally Posted by fontana302

The 1M is a Wank to run out the tail end of the 1 series. Put a JB3 on your 135i & you're way in front in all aspects. If you like add an intake & cat back.

The 135 is an M3 eater already with these mods.................

Unless you have an ego problem & like to spend money. I've had them both simultaneously so I know from experience.

I have had them both "simultaneously" too, I disagree, the 1 is soft.

M3 eater with a JB3, yeh, in a straight line maybe. I think you are missing the point, if you want get up and go, buy a V8 commondore and s/c it. If you want dynamics then buy an M, any one of them.

A wank for runouts on E82's? why would they widen the track, transfer the rear suspension, the ediff, the brakes, the gearbox, seats blah blah from the M3 if it is just a wank?

Anyway each to his own, one less person in the queue to buy one

[BBK]

Originally Posted by AlpineM3E92

I have had them both "simultaneously" too, I disagree, the 1 is soft.

M3 eater with a JB3, yeh, in a straight line maybe. I think you are missing the point, if you want get up and go, buy a V8 commondore and s/c it. If you want dynamics then buy an M, any one of them.

Maybe he means to use as a daily driver? With no track use, which 95% of owners will be doing. I think it's a fair call. A jb3, tyre change and a few suspension mods the 135i will not be far off an M3 at both straight line and 'dynamics'. I'd hazard a guess and say at least 30% of the cost of an M car is for the M badge...

M is for marketing these days. Take the X6/X5 and soon to be X3 'M' models for example.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love an M car one day, but the way things are going, there are probably other options out there which could be just as good or better for people who want performance without wanting to cut that extra 1/10th off lap times.

[amk2912]

Originally Posted by BBK

Maybe he means to use as a daily driver? With no track use, which 95% of owners will be doing. I think it's a fair call.

I agree. For me, the 135i was a better daily driver than the M3. The 135i was more torquey and quicker off the mark.....until the M3 hits +5000prm. But the growl of the V8 is orgasmic..........cruising on the freeway, wind down the windows, press the "M" button, bury your right foot, pull back the "-" paddle and the next couple of seconds tell you why the M3 is one of the most sought after BMWs.

I parted with the 135i for size considerations (kids) and the need for 4 doors.

If not for these reasons I'd be in there for a 1M.

[sparoz]

Originally Posted by amk2912

I agree. For me, the 135i was a better daily driver than the M3. The 135i was more torquey and quicker off the mark.....until the M3 hits +5000prm. But the growl of the V8 is orgasmic..........cruising on the freeway, wind down the windows, press the "M" button, bury your right foot, pull back the "-" paddle and the next couple of seconds tell you why the M3 is one of the most sought after BMWs.

I parted with the 135i for size considerations (kids) and the need for 4 doors.

If not for these reasons I'd be in there for a 1M.

I picked up the 135i instead of a used M for this reason.

@BBK There are many options for a performance car in the price range of 1M, but not in the same package. If I have having a weekend car, I would have pick the porsche any day. As a DD, the 1M which seats four comfortably is still more flexible. Besides, M is still only a BMW, and a Porsche is a Porsche (unless its the Cayenne I suppose). My wife actually wanted the SLK - and I basically said you are not driving that car to work... may be I am just too self conscious of what my customers/doctors thinks.

[MrBlonde]

Originally Posted by TimMc

Well me to start with... I do have several books and mags reviewing and comparing these models so I can quote some names and publications if needed. Just start googling M3 though and read the reviews.

• The E30 was the first M3 which seems to make it more collectible.
• Try comparing on-line prices for E30 and E36 M3s. E30's, particularly the Evo's, seem to be doing much better.
• To a much larger extent than the E36 it won mutilple touring car championships around the world, often against bigger more powerful cars.
• It's significantly lighter than the E36 and generally considered to be a better looker.
• It's considered to be more of a raw "track" car whereas the E36 has been said to be more of a "grand tourer".

We all have our own take which is good. I don't see it the same way as you.

[05C4R]

Originally Posted by fontana302

The 1M is a Wank to run out the tail end of the 1 series. Put a JB3 on your 135i & you're way in front in all aspects. If you like add an intake & cat back.

The 135 is an M3 eater already with these mods.................

Unless you have an ego problem & like to spend money. I've had them both simultaneously so I know from experience.

the 1M is probably the car the 135i should have been. its not surprising the motor probably wont be tweaked much, the car has enough power it just all comes unstuck with the suspension and it appears bmw have spent all their time on that.

i was hoping the car would be lighter, but for 120k drive away, what else is there out there?

Whats the 1M up against....... its such a hard decision. AHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRR

[Jeef Beef]

Originally Posted by beemer

the 1M is probably the car the 135i should have been. its not surprising the motor probably wont be tweaked much, the car has enough power it just all comes unstuck with the suspension and it appears bmw have spent all their time on that.

i was hoping the car would be lighter, but for 120k drive away, what else is there out there?

Whats the 1M up against....... its such a hard decision. AHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRR

The closest I can think of with similar power would be the TTRS - but that thing's price is approaching M3 territory. 1M still wins.

[Alext]

Hopefully it comes in under the $120k mark driveaway.

I remember my manual '08 35i was around $75k driveaway new factory ordered (and I've heard people getting them new for less than this these days). That's nearly a $50k diff!

[Alpine*]

Originally Posted by Alext

Hopefully it comes in under the $120k mark driveaway.

I remember my manual '08 35i was around $75k driveaway new factory ordered (and I've heard people getting them new for less than this these days). That's nearly a $50k diff!

The biggest price point that they need to wary of in my opinion is the Boxster and Cayman twins ($115k Drive Away atm). Sure, two seaters only but some (like myself) are a little beyond needing a rear seat, I also suggest that this car will "probably" have a slighly older clientelle average age IMO (than the 135i) so a two seater is not a problem.

[alik01]

Definitely agree with Alipine, I think the toughest competition is going to be the Cayman. But the M1 should be much faster in terms if acceleration, probably won't mimic the delicate balance of that gorgeous mid-engined beauty!

What sells it for me is the implied exclusivity and practicality. Not to mention, having always dreamt of a M3, this seems like a great entry to The Kingdom of M!

[sparoz]

If amk buys a Porsche and drive it work, I will definitely consider .

edit:
Cayenne doesn't count.