Walked over by a 335D!!!

JBizzle135i · 07-03-2009, 12:54 AM

Yeah maybe time to upgrade to a JB3

I'm just down the road in Gloucester if you wanna see what it's like sometime.

moff · 07-03-2009, 03:00 AM

Yeah upgrade o JB3 and then get your ass kicked by a DMS remapped 335d

Joey_T · 07-03-2009, 05:07 AM

Well even the tuned 335d is still a little slower than stock 135i/335i. Take acceleration from 100 km/h (62 mph) to 200 km/h (125 mph) for an example. Stock N54 does it in 11s (according to speedo) and the diesel version requires at least additional second...

BUT you need to start accelerating in 3rd gear not in 6th or 5th or 4th!!! Otherwise you'll stay far behid...

P.S. if you were accelerating in 6th gear from 70 mph even the 120d would beat you if he was in a right gear (4th).

Si-M240i · 07-03-2009, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Zuzu

Thats why at that speed he should of dropped to 4th WOT...

3rd

JBizzle135i · 07-03-2009, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Joey_T

Well even the tuned 335d is still a little slower than stock 135i/335i. Take acceleration from 100 km/h (62 mph) to 200 km/h (125 mph) for an example. Stock N54 does it in 11s (according to speedo) and the diesel version requires at least additional second...

BUT you need to start accelerating in 3rd gear not in 6th or 5th or 4th!!! Otherwise you'll stay far behid...

P.S. if you were accelerating in 6th gear from 70 mph even the 120d would beat you if he was in a right gear (4th).

+1

morscode · 07-04-2009, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ru55

That makes sense!

In the 135, even if you drop it down to 5th gear, doesnt make any difference from 6th.

Was VERY supprised!!! (and a little upset)

Can I please get a LOL here?

Zuzu · 07-04-2009, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Joey_T

If you were accelerating in 6th gear from 70 mph even the 120d would beat you if he was in a right gear (4th).

BMW-driver · 07-04-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ru55

HELLO!

Is my 135i broken!?!

I was on the motorway doing 75mph in 6th going to overtake a 335d...he saw me overtaking and put his foot down...I did the same and my car had no chance!

Its a 2009 135, BMW performance exhaust and chipped, its about 340bhp on the dyno.

ugh????

That is weird. I have done several sprints against chipped 335d's/535d's (about 325bhp (cranck)/+600Nm), and my ACS1 is faster and stronger, even in 6th from 75mph. In 5th/4th at 75mph, the ACS1 is a lot faster. Maybe that 335d has some - unknown? - chip. Do you have 340bhp at the cranck or the wheels? If it is at the wheels, than 1) there is something wrong with your car or 2) that 335d has some unknown 'extreem' chip, far above the 400bhp at the cranck?

But normally, a (well) chipped 135i is faster than a chipped 335d/535d.

BMW86 · 07-04-2009, 06:06 PM

335d are quick cars even in stock form. if you're going to have any chance of beating them you need to be in the right gear. at 70mph you need to be in at least 3rd.

Joey_T · 07-05-2009, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Zuzu

I don't know what is so funny about that. Eventhough the N54 engine has a lot of torque you still have to be in a right gear if you want to use all of it's power. Maybe there was a bit of a confusion in my previous post. I meant that if you compare accelerations for a shorter ranges of speeds (from let's say 70 to 100 mph - common daily driving situation on a highway/autobahn) you can't be in a 6th gear and expect that you will overtake all other cars with ease. If in that scenario a 120d or a 123d would be in a 4th gear you'll stay a bit behind at least at the beginning. But as speeds increase of course you'll start pulling away...

BMW86 · 07-05-2009, 04:59 AM

The 135i has plenty of torque down low which means that you can be lazy and leave it in 6th and still have enough power to overtake most cars in normal driving. I've seen a youtube video of an E92 M3 v 135i doing 6th gear pulls from 70mph or so and the 135i walked all over it everytime. But when it comes to racing, especailly if it's a fast car you need to be in the right gear no matter what if you want the fastest pull speed.

Zuzu · 07-05-2009, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Joey_T

I don't know what is so funny about that. Eventhough the N54 engine has a lot of torque you still have to be in a right gear if you want to use all of it's power. Maybe there was a bit of a confusion in my previous post. I meant that if you compare accelerations for a shorter ranges of speeds (from let's say 70 to 100 mph - common daily driving situation on a highway/autobahn) you can't be in a 6th gear and expect that you will overtake all other cars with ease. If in that scenario a 120d or a 123d would be in a 4th gear you'll stay a bit behind at least at the beginning. But as speeds increase of course you'll start pulling away...

Chill out Joey_T...

. I was agreeing with you mate and laughing at your how you made the comparison..

Joey_T · 07-05-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Zuzu

Chill out Joey_T...

. I was agreeing with you mate and laughing at your how you made the comparison..

It's all good mate, I wasn't even arguing with you, I just wanted to explain again to OP that everything isn't just black&white

esscolab · 07-05-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Joey_T

It's all good mate, I wasn't even arguing with you, I just wanted to explain again to OP that everything isn't just black&white

You still should have trounced him in the 335D. Do you drive your car like you stole it? If no, then you deserve to have lost out.

ru55 · 07-05-2009, 02:41 PM

OK...Are there ANY people here from the UK that can drive my 135 and compare it to theres?

I can't take it back to the BMW garage as they will know its had a re-map.

FYI a little later on the motorway, i did drop down to 3rd and the 335d STILL moved ahead!

Audi RS4 / S5 here I come!

ru55 · 07-05-2009, 02:51 PM

When I got my car re-maped, this is the data they gave me before and after on the dyno. I dont understand any of it...hope it means something to someone else....

Lester · 07-05-2009, 05:55 PM

Well, the top two lines must be before and after for HP. The bottom two are then the Torque - before and after.

To read a graph like this, you have to read the scale labels. Notice that the bottom label (called the 'X" axis) - is RPM's. So if you want to see how the engine is performing at increased rpm's you move to the right until you get to the rpm you want to see, then move "up" to one of the charted lines to see either the HP or Torque figures - either before the tune or after the tune.

Look at the scale on the left side. This scale gives you the HP You can see that the "after" HP peaks at 6100 rpm, at just under 350 hp. The "before" hp was peaking at 5,500 rpm at about 280 hp.

For Torque - look at the scale on the right hand side (it is actually mis-labelled as Lbs/ft - wheras it should be Lbs-Ft - or even Ft.-Lbs.). The red curve is "after" and gives you a nice peak at 4100 rpm of 357 Lbs-ft., the yellow curve is the "before" and gives you around 300 Lbs.-ft. at about 3,200 rpm. Torque is a measure of force times distance - that is why it is expressed as (Ft.-Lbs.) - or (Lbs.-Ft.) - not as the chart shows as Lbs. divided by feet (Lbs/ft)

These are definitely nice figures, and are measured at the wheel, that is why the HP number are lower that the published from BMW numbers that measure at the engine rather than at the wheels.

BMW86 · 07-05-2009, 05:57 PM

^ Impressive dyno. No doubt the 335d had some serious mods!

BMW-driver · 07-05-2009, 06:08 PM

Hmm... So those are crank numbers I see? So your stock run gives 280 bhp SAE at the crank? If so, that is far to low. Torque is ok, although pretty low.

About the tuning. 347hp (6100 rpm) at the cranck is ok, not that much, but it is OK. Torque 358lbs/ft is also OK. Numbers are normal for a type stage 1 tuning. Allthough HP is slightly low.

But even so, you should be faster than a 335d, even with the tuned numbers you show here. Maybe the 335d you are running against, is a very good chipped one. That could be possible ofcourse.

BMW-driver · 07-05-2009, 06:11 PM

The graph shows (look at the tab) engine numbers, not wheel numbers. Am I right? If those numbers are at the wheel, then you are driving an almost 400 BHP 135i at the cranck. That should blast a chipped 335d completely away. If not, that 335d has some serious modifications undet the bonnet ..

amdmaxx · 07-05-2009, 07:53 PM

Yep, and more torque.. and 4% better fuel economy.. and no its not coming to USA jsut yet, and it doesnt have that blue urethia stuff. thats why its not here yet.. 745d gets it first..

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Originally Posted by BForbes

Thats insane. Can you imagine it now that they are upping the horsepower now? It's up to 306hp now if I'm not mistaken.

RPM90 · 07-05-2009, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Add1ct

if he had a tune, then you really stood no chance because of his midrange, if he didn't have a tune then it's likely you still stood no chance because of his midrange. when I test drove the wimpy american version of the 335d (265hp detuned) I was very very impressed, in the midrange those f**kers haul!

Yeah, but they really don't have any top end. And, the OP was doing 75mph and left it in 6th, which is an over driver gear not an accel gear.

I'll bet the D was an automatic, which would have kicked down at least a couple of gears if not 3.
The stock 335D is not faster than the 335i let alone the 135i.

The mistake here is; wrong gear.

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Joey_T That's me... 17 Rep 234 Posts Drives: 135i Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	Well even the tuned 335d is still a little slower than stock 135i/335i. Take acceleration from 100 km/h (62 mph) to 200 km/h (125 mph) for an example. Stock N54 does it in 11s (according to speedo) and the diesel version requires at least additional second... BUT you need to start accelerating in 3rd gear not in 6th or 5th or 4th!!! Otherwise you'll stay far behid... P.S. if you were accelerating in 6th gear from 70 mph even the 120d would beat you if he was in a right gear (4th).
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BMW86 Major General 398 Rep 9,156 Posts Drives: RS3 Sedan / Macan S Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Australia iTrader: (0)	335d are quick cars even in stock form. if you're going to have any chance of beating them you need to be in the right gear. at 70mph you need to be in at least 3rd.
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BMW86 Major General 398 Rep 9,156 Posts Drives: RS3 Sedan / Macan S Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Australia iTrader: (0)	The 135i has plenty of torque down low which means that you can be lazy and leave it in 6th and still have enough power to overtake most cars in normal driving. I've seen a youtube video of an E92 M3 v 135i doing 6th gear pulls from 70mph or so and the 135i walked all over it everytime. But when it comes to racing, especailly if it's a fast car you need to be in the right gear no matter what if you want the fastest pull speed.
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ru55 Private 7 Rep 82 Posts Drives: 135 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Worcestershire. UK iTrader: (0)	OK...Are there ANY people here from the UK that can drive my 135 and compare it to theres? I can't take it back to the BMW garage as they will know its had a re-map. FYI a little later on the motorway, i did drop down to 3rd and the 335d STILL moved ahead! Audi RS4 / S5 here I come!
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ru55 Private 7 Rep 82 Posts Drives: 135 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Worcestershire. UK iTrader: (0)	When I got my car re-maped, this is the data they gave me before and after on the dyno. I dont understand any of it...hope it means something to someone else.... Attached Images
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07-05-2009, 05:55 PM	#39
Lester Brigadier General 295 Rep 3,350 Posts Drives: Join Date: Oct 2007 iTrader: (0)	Well, the top two lines must be before and after for HP. The bottom two are then the Torque - before and after. To read a graph like this, you have to read the scale labels. Notice that the bottom label (called the 'X" axis) - is RPM's. So if you want to see how the engine is performing at increased rpm's you move to the right until you get to the rpm you want to see, then move "up" to one of the charted lines to see either the HP or Torque figures - either before the tune or after the tune. Look at the scale on the left side. This scale gives you the HP You can see that the "after" HP peaks at 6100 rpm, at just under 350 hp. The "before" hp was peaking at 5,500 rpm at about 280 hp. For Torque - look at the scale on the right hand side (it is actually mis-labelled as Lbs/ft - wheras it should be Lbs-Ft - or even Ft.-Lbs.). The red curve is "after" and gives you a nice peak at 4100 rpm of 357 Lbs-ft., the yellow curve is the "before" and gives you around 300 Lbs.-ft. at about 3,200 rpm. Torque is a measure of force times distance - that is why it is expressed as (Ft.-Lbs.) - or (Lbs.-Ft.) - not as the chart shows as Lbs. divided by feet (Lbs/ft) These are definitely nice figures, and are measured at the wheel, that is why the HP number are lower that the published from BMW numbers that measure at the engine rather than at the wheels.
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BMW86 Major General 398 Rep 9,156 Posts Drives: RS3 Sedan / Macan S Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Australia iTrader: (0)	^ Impressive dyno. No doubt the 335d had some serious mods!
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BMW-driver Drive carefully :) 6 Rep 322 Posts Drives: 1M Valencia Orange Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Leeuwarden iTrader: (0)	Hmm... So those are crank numbers I see? So your stock run gives 280 bhp SAE at the crank? If so, that is far to low. Torque is ok, although pretty low. About the tuning. 347hp (6100 rpm) at the cranck is ok, not that much, but it is OK. Torque 358lbs/ft is also OK. Numbers are normal for a type stage 1 tuning. Allthough HP is slightly low. But even so, you should be faster than a 335d, even with the tuned numbers you show here. Maybe the 335d you are running against, is a very good chipped one. That could be possible ofcourse.
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07-05-2009, 06:11 PM	#42
BMW-driver Drive carefully :) 6 Rep 322 Posts Drives: 1M Valencia Orange Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Leeuwarden iTrader: (0)	The graph shows (look at the tab) engine numbers, not wheel numbers. Am I right? If those numbers are at the wheel, then you are driving an almost 400 BHP 135i at the cranck. That should blast a chipped 335d completely away. If not, that 335d has some serious modifications undet the bonnet ..
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