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      06-16-2009, 02:44 AM   #1
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BRISBANE tuning place: Bayside Performance Service

I came across this tuning shop online and they are Brisbane based and specialise with the N54.

Here's the site: http://www.bpschiptek.com/
and here's a dyno from their tune: http://www.bpschiptek.com/news/?fuse...&id=54&ct_id=0

Gains are 225kw to 267kw and 400nm to 490nm.

What does everyone think and has anybody had any experience with BPS?
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250kW at the wheel at low boost???

That seems to be a flash tune... it sounds impressive.
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      06-16-2009, 03:47 AM   #3
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Apparently this tune is visible to dealers but if reflashed back to stock there is no trace of it.
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At what boost is that? 251kw atw is pretty high!
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190 stock is pretty high too. Even with a 'sport exhaust'
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I came across this tuning shop online and they are Brisbane based and specialise with the N54.

Here's the site: http://www.bpschiptek.com/
and here's a dyno from their tune: http://www.bpschiptek.com/news/?fuse...&id=54&ct_id=0

Gains are 225kw to 267kw and 400nm to 490nm.

What does everyone think and has anybody had any experience with BPS?
DMS Automotive (A well respected tuner from the UK who have vast experience with German Cars) have a distributer in Brisbane.

They offer a reflash tune for $2400. The one above is $2200. But DMS offer several advantages.
- tune is undetectable
- warranty is offered in the event the tune causes a problem which BMW do not/will not cover
- 270kw at the crank, 500nm

I am seriously considering going this way as peace of mind is what I am looking for as well as the power gains.
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At what boost is that? 251kw atw is pretty high!
+1. I agree that the claimed gain at the wheels seems a bit high. Almost un - believable.

The average transmission losses are approximately 80%. So if you apply that figure to their claimed at the wheels dyno then we are talking about a car with approx 314kw??? I find that hard to believe.
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      06-17-2009, 02:43 AM   #8
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DMS Automotive (A well respected tuner from the UK who have vast experience with German Cars) have a distributer in Brisbane.

They offer a reflash tune for $2400. The one above is $2200. But DMS offer several advantages.
- tune is undetectable
- warranty is offered in the event the tune causes a problem which BMW do not/will not cover
- 270kw at the crank, 500nm

I am seriously considering going this way as peace of mind is what I am looking for as well as the power gains.
Chip torque at the gold coast specialises on the 335 and is around $2000
all in house tuning, they originally developed the EXEDE PROCESSOR software.

http://www.chiptorque.com.au/
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Chip torque at the gold coast specialises on the 335 and is around $2000
all in house tuning, they originally developed the EXEDE PROCESSOR software.

http://www.chiptorque.com.au/
Hmm. Thats rather expensive for something which is for all intents and purposes just another 'piggyback' device. No mention of warranty either. If I was going to go down this route I would probably get a JB3 / JB+ instead for a fraction of the cost, and also a tried and tested device in hundreds of 135s around the globe. However thanks for pointing out another alternative.
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DMS Automotive (A well respected tuner from the UK who have vast experience with German Cars) have a distributer in Brisbane.

They offer a reflash tune for $2400. The one above is $2200. But DMS offer several advantages.
- tune is undetectable
- warranty is offered in the event the tune causes a problem which BMW do not/will not cover
- 270kw at the crank, 500nm

I am seriously considering going this way as peace of mind is what I am looking for as well as the power gains.
Someone on this board had this tune done but I think he made about 220kw atw.
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      06-17-2009, 05:50 AM   #11
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+1. I agree that the claimed gain at the wheels seems a bit high. Almost un - believable.

The average transmission losses are approximately 80%. So if you apply that figure to their claimed at the wheels dyno then we are talking about a car with approx 314kw??? I find that hard to believe.
Not that unbelievable, as my car with the JB3 Dynoed at 158KW at the rear wheels..
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DMS Automotive (A well respected tuner from the UK who have vast experience with German Cars) have a distributer in Brisbane.

They offer a reflash tune for $2400. The one above is $2200. But DMS offer several advantages.
- tune is undetectable
- warranty is offered in the event the tune causes a problem which BMW do not/will not cover
- 270kw at the crank, 500nm

I am seriously considering going this way as peace of mind is what I am looking for as well as the power gains.
Yes you are right. DMS Automotive do offer a very comparable tune for only $200 more and from most peoples comments they seem to be a very reputable company. The cost of the DMS tune is $2400 and the gains are from 225kw to 270kw and from 400nm to 500nm. I would really like to know if it is truly undectable because warranty is a huge concern for most people.

Here is the link to DMS if anybody is interested:
http://www.hp.net.au/dms/index.html

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Chip torque at the gold coast specialises on the 335 and is around $2000
all in house tuning, they originally developed the EXEDE PROCESSOR software.

http://www.chiptorque.com.au/
Thanks for this. I'll definitely look into it.

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Someone on this board had this tune done but I think he made about 220kw atw.
Yes I believe his name was Orlin and unfortunately he has sold his 135i already. I'm a bit skeptical about DMS because Orlin was only able to manage a 13.17 at the track. I know there are many variables but I had been expecting much more promising times from a tune.

I managed to find the old thread about the DMS tune which shows Orlin's dyno after he had the dyno tune done. Only managed 210kw at the wheel. Here's the link for anyone interested: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...=254268&page=2

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Not that unbelievable, as my car with the JB3 Dynoed at 158KW at the rear wheels..
Really 158rwkw? This can't be right. I thought our cars were about 198rwkw stock!
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I think the major advantage Bayside Performance Service has over DMS is that it is a custom tune using a dyno. I am assuming that they would create a tune based on your cars current mods whereas the DMS tune is via the internet and designed for a stock car.
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I think the major advantage Bayside Performance Service has over DMS is that it is a custom tune using a dyno. I am assuming that they would create a tune based on your cars current mods whereas the DMS tune is via the internet and designed for a stock car.
DMS informed me that they would off load the software off our car and send that to DMS in the UK, who would then send out a tune based on that.
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All these KW figures & comparisons are somewhat meaningless. Under the same conditions different dynos will give different readings. Mattyv's car gave out about 198kw stock on a Toowoomba dyno. This sounds impressive but on a different dyno at a different; elevation, atmospheric pressure, temperature, humidity etc the result would be different. Zuzu's 158kw measured car may well be more powerful tham Matt's but you'd need to measure them at the same time on the same dyno to check this out.
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Why would you even BOTHER with custom tunes and all the dicking around when you can get the JB3, tried, tested and it works extremely well for half the cost.

Seems like a no brainer.
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Why would you even BOTHER with custom tunes and all the dicking around when you can get the JB3, tried, tested and it works extremely well for half the cost.

Seems like a no brainer.
Cant argue with you there on JB3 being tried, tested and good value. But it is the warranty and not having to take piggyback on/off and 'dicking' around with BT scanners and such like when it comes to bringing the car in. I'd much rather have something done, leave it there and forget about it, and not having to intermittantly go under the hood.

For me warranty is important and so DMS may be a good alternative as they offer insurance on their work, and if BMW decide to bring out the performance upgrade that would also be an option for me. The cost of having a warranty or insurance does not bother me, the cost of replacing a blown engine/turbo out of my own pocket does.

Also there have been many posts/debate on this piggyback vs ECU tune etc and somehow I don't feel comfortable with a device 'tricking' the ECU into believing that something else is happening - only time will tell if this will present a problem. Whereas an ECU tune gives you far greater control of all engine parameters rather than just turning up the boost.
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Dicking around? all i did was simply upgrade the chip to the latest and now i can switch maps from inside the car. You dont need to touch it. You leave it there...

You have a warranty? backed by who? Will they honestly replace your engine if it blows up? I HIGHLY doubt it.

You mentioned its not invisable, so BMW will see it and tell you they wont warrant any claims. You're opening a huge can of worms by doing this with your car. Just be wary!

I personally wouldnt want some mug tuning my car, JB has been developing this for over a year, with thousands and thousands of cars, altitudes, feedback, forum development.

I wouldnt trust ANYTHING else.
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Not that unbelievable, as my car with the JB3 Dynoed at 158KW at the rear wheels..
Sorry typo..Should read. 258KW at the rear wheels...
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All these KW figures & comparisons are somewhat meaningless. Under the same conditions different dynos will give different readings. Mattyv's car gave out about 198kw stock on a Toowoomba dyno. This sounds impressive but on a different dyno at a different; elevation, atmospheric pressure, temperature, humidity etc the result would be different. Zuzu's 158kw measured car may well be more powerful tham Matt's but you'd need to measure them at the same time on the same dyno to check this out.
yer, and that was a stinking hot day, at altitude and the humidity was all wrong so in theory that should be a conservative run.

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Sorry typo..Should read. 258KW at the rear wheels...
Oh ja, that's more like it!

I know I'm going to head down the JB3 path most likely, even though it's going to be more messing around I trust and believe the outcomes will be better. And cheaper. Win win.
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I know I'm going to head down the JB3 path most likely, even though it's going to be more messing around I trust and believe the outcomes will be better. And cheaper. Win win.
You wont regret it Matty... I havent seen a negative post yet..
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Sorry typo..Should read. 258KW at the rear wheels...
Wow, thats pretty impressive. Does it relate to real world improvements in 0-100 or 1/4 mile?
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