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lol this is funny...for one i will bash borla because the THEY ARE NOT the best in the exhaust industry..i will email my guy nigel from blueflame and see if they will make us some kickass exhaust systems...they have the best fit and finish ive ever seen...i paid right around 630 shipped for my 2.75in catback for my audi tt...when borla wanted 1000 for a 2.5in catback...which was no where near the quality of the blueflame(forge) i switched many borla users over to blueflame and they loved the exhaust note much better and due to the .25in increase saw better gains than the borla
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All this about Borla but dead silence when Hartage products are advertised!?
I think HP handled it just fine in the other thread, they basically said 'we don't set the prices, sorry.' What's wrong with that? I think BMW charges too much for their exhaust too, no way am I going to fault Dan@United for it. HP went to the trouble of determining and posting which M3 parts bolt onto a 1, they get props for that in my book. Prices will go down in time, this is still a new market. (Not every 1 owner is a 1addict!). Bring on the titanium, I say! :roundel:
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I actually got my ass handed to me on a similar thread where I accused a vendor of price gouging, then when I researched the actual price of the materials he was using I was absolutely stunned at the cost. However, assuming the materials are the same for both the 900 dollar exhaust and the 1700 dollar exhaust, there is no excuse for the price difference. My assumption is that price will eventually fall into a supply/demand situation. It won't be an outlier for very much longer. |
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01-20-2009, 06:59 PM | #28 | |
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Anyway, I feel that this is a very worth while thread, so please continue on.
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01-20-2009, 08:12 PM | #30 |
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Ahhh... so why have you stuck with the MSRP in your commercial thread?
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As for the warranty, sure that's a great offer, but a stainless steel exhaust system should never fail. It's not like you buy this product expecting to have a warranty claim. :iono: The price is off the chart. It's twice what it should be. I'd consider anyone who buys one of these systems at this price a fool, or at least ignorant. |
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01-20-2009, 09:41 PM | #32 | |
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When a price is advertised/published, it must follow their MSRP or MAP. Privately, a lower price is usually quoted. That is why in the commercial thread, you will often see the term, "Please PM for best pricing" or alike. |
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01-21-2009, 06:13 AM | #33 | ||
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Please give HP a break. They are trying to promote their products just like other vendors on this board, and there is nothing wrong. It is up to us to believe or not. So, stay cool and move on. Thanks.
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I agree with Dangerlucas, if you don't like Borla's MSRP, then take it up with borla. HP is just listing the price they are told to. It is true that many vendors can offer a lower price via PM... I know this is the case with many products besides exhaust.
Also, about the comment on the Hartge products and how no one raises a stink... the reason (partially) that Hartge is so expensive is that they have been tuning BMW's for many years, it is their specialty. Along with that, it is also an imported product and they have already established their name and quality in the BMW market. Now, is the markup fair? No, but people still buy it knowing that they're getting some of the best stuff. Borla on the other hand... tons of reviews for great quality on american cars, and they started dipping into imports like subies and MINI, but have yet to establish their name as one of the top... so with that said, and knowing the "average" price of a catback exhaust, it does seem that their high sticker price is over zealous on their part.
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01-21-2009, 02:09 PM | #36 | |
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Or, just don't buy one. If I'm a vendor I'd just as soon know if a majority of my customer base thinks the pricing is too high on a product so I can pass that along to the manufacturer. Trying to justify the high price on something like an exhaust system just isn't going to go over well with a lot of people, especially people who have been modding vehicles for decades and know that one quality exhaust system isn't really going to be significantly better than the next (given comparable materials) in most cases. :w00t: |
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01-21-2009, 02:50 PM | #37 |
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Don't mean to start an argument but Madd Man specifically directed his comment towards Borla. In any case, thats how the food chain works. We're the customers, they're the vendors. You tell the vendor the price is ridiculous, the vendor then goes up the food chain and tells the manufacturer (Borla) the prices are too high. And then Borla has the choice to compete with prices or keep their prices as are.
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01-21-2009, 04:16 PM | #39 |
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This is taken from their FS thread and is the kind of thing that makes a consumer not want to purchase from the vendor. Why make the assumption that we have absolutely no knowledge about the product.
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01-25-2009, 10:38 PM | #42 |
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http://www.crutchfield.com/p_6261176...3.html?tp=1225
How could they offer it that much cheaper than HP Autowerks? I'm curious to know the real MSRP and what the wholesale price is. |
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That one is the axel back and not the full race system. I think thats same price as the Borla site. The one for 1700+ is for the full race system. I could be wrong...
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The link provided to Crutchfield is just for the axle-back (muffler) and that is discounted from $1,450 to $1,299.99. |
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