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[Ginger_Extract]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

How about just buying 4 rear M68s? 17x8.5, et 50 and call it a day? Functional, strong...cheap...and look half decent?

You'll need spacers up front. 10-12mm would make it a perfect fit with camber.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

A 17x8.5, ET40 will give you just that. You just can't keep ignoring that people use this setup successfully, without a roll, and claim to be disappointed that you can't.

I've purchased wheels from APEX before(not to mention how often I promote their products), I'm not trying to give them a hard time.

I have just been told, point blank, on multiple occasions by their staff, that the 17" fitment for the 1er is far from ideal, limited in tire choices(especially in terms of track tires), and generally requires suspension setup. I take their word on it much more than people on a forum. How often do you see a negative review of a mod choice?

APEX clearly wants to sell product as that as their business, so unless the fitment is truly a bit off, it does them no favors to repeatedly tell me that it is a race fitment that really isn't ideal for a street car.

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

I've purchased wheels from APEX before(not to mention how often I promote their products), I'm not trying to give them a hard time.

I have just been told, point blank, on multiple occasions by their staff, that the 17" fitment for the 1er is far from ideal, limited in tire choices(especially in terms of track tires), and generally requires suspension setup. I take their word on it much more than people on a forum. How often do you see a negative review of a mod choice?

APEX clearly wants to sell product as that as their business, so unless the fitment is truly a bit off, it does them no favors to repeatedly tell me that it is a race fitment that really isn't ideal for a street car.

You can lead a horse to water...

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by Ginger_Extract

You'll need spacers up front. 10-12mm would make it a perfect fit with camber.

They fit with 5mm too, but yes, spacer up front. The looks of them are starting to grow on me.

Starting with a 50mm offset, with a decent bit of camber, 255 square seems reasonably achievable too being able to add just the right front spacer.

[Ginger_Extract]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

They fit with 5mm too, but yes, spacer up front. The looks of them are starting to grow on me.

Starting with a 50mm offset, with a decent bit of camber, 255 square seems reasonably achievable too being able to add just the right front spacer.

Have you actually done this to confirm? Up front a 17" wheel needs a lower offset than a comparable 18" wheel, due to where the tire is positioned. My ET40 17x8.5 wheels have my 255 Hankooks not any more than 2mm or so away from the strut. Smaller aftermarket suspension will offer more clearance, but my sentiments hold true for OEM springs/dampers.

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by Ginger_Extract

Have you actually done this to confirm? Up front a 17" wheel needs a lower offset than a comparable 18" wheel, due to where the tire is positioned. My ET40 17x8.5 wheels have my 255 Hankooks not any more than 2mm or so away from the strut. Smaller aftermarket suspension will offer more clearance, but my sentiments hold true for OEM springs/dampers.

Confirmed for 245/40 Pilot Sports (significantly narrower than your tires), with both oe struts and bilsteins. 255s, especially big ones may need the full 10mm. But if an 8 works, that's at least a step in the right direction freeing up even a bit more space at the fender.

Really loving 17s on the street though. So nice.

[clutch128]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

D Force wheels are light, but from my experience with the E36, they are also pretty weak. Not sure I want to replace wheels that often.

I have also heard that. I've done ~10 track days with my LTW5's and haven't had problems. They are disturbingly light. Maybe stay away from those apex berms

[Ginger_Extract]

Originally Posted by clutch128

I have also heard that. I've done ~10 track days with my LTW5's and haven't had problems. They are disturbingly light. Maybe stay away from those apex berms

What sizes are your D-Force? 8.5"?

[clutch128]

Originally Posted by Ginger_Extract

What sizes are your D-Force? 8.5"?

yep. 17"x8.5" square

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by clutch128

I have also heard that. I've done ~10 track days with my LTW5's and haven't had problems. They are disturbingly light. Maybe stay away from those apex berms

I actually completely forgot about the LTW5s. Size, tire, and fitment for you? Any rub on or off track?

[clutch128]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

I actually completely forgot about the LTW5s. Size, tire, and fitment for you? Any rub on or off track?

17x8.5 and I believe 40mm offset. I've tried a few different tires and rubbing is obviously a bit dependent on tire selection. With my current 235/40 R888's both the front and rear rub but in different ways.

I have Ohlins coilovers and I had to get shorter springs so they wouldn't rub on the lower spring holder bracket thingy (there's a word I'm looking for). I had rolled my front fenders previously and I have a good amount of camber dialed in so it's hard to tell whether they rub on the front fenders but I don't think they do.

The rear is the pita. I've rolled the rear fenders as best as I can but anyone who has tried to do so knows how hard this is with the way the sheet metal is layered/bent. I've got it to the point where it only rubs in long constant radius turns, e.g., turns 2/3 spring mountain. But, it's not too bad. Doesn't seem to be damaging the tire.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by clutch128

17x8.5 and I believe 40mm offset. I've tried a few different tires and rubbing is obviously a bit dependent on tire selection. With my current 235/40 R888's both the front and rear rub but in different ways.

I have Ohlins coilovers and I had to get shorter springs so they wouldn't rub on the lower spring holder bracket thingy (there's a word I'm looking for). I had rolled my front fenders previously and I have a good amount of camber dialed in so it's hard to tell whether they rub on the front fenders but I don't think they do.

The rear is the pita. I've rolled the rear fenders as best as I can but anyone who has tried to do so knows how hard this is with the way the sheet metal is layered/bent. I've got it to the point where it only rubs in long constant radius turns, e.g., turns 2/3 spring mountain. But, it's not too bad. Doesn't seem to be damaging the tire.

I appreciate the unedited feedback. This is what APEX told me to expect with their 17"s as well, which max sense as they share width and offset.

I wish the functional market was a flush with products as the bling market.

[clutch128]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

I appreciate the unedited feedback. This is what APEX told me to expect with their 17"s as well, which max sense as they share width and offset.

I wish the functional market was a flush with products as the bling market.

I agree. I have 18" Breyton's GTSRs that I use for street. It is wild how much heavier they are.

Love to hear what you end up doing. In march I'm going to put on a stoptech kit and I'm really nervous I'm going to be forced to go to 18"

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by clutch128

I agree. I have 18" Breyton's GTSRs that I use for street. It is wild how much heavier they are.

Love to hear what you end up doing. In march I'm going to put on a stoptech kit and I'm really nervous I'm going to be forced to go to 18"

Stoptechs do require 18s generally, as their fitment is usually worse than Brembo. They certainly do not fit under my RGRs. Brembo makes a 130i kit that should fit under 17" wheels. Look for 1A2.6027A and 1A5.6010A, which are their 328mm and 330mm kits for our cars(smaller than their 128i offering). Probably the route I will eventually go.

http://www.brembo.com/it/Auto/Racing...ion%20list.pdf


That being said, for track use 18" does open up a lot more in terms of tire options.

[Simmons-Racing]

Not to highjack, do you think 17x7.5 42mm offset with 245/40 Z2's would fit the front on a stock 135?

Simmons

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by Simmons-Racing

Not to highjack, do you think 17x7.5 42mm offset with 245/40 Z2's would fit the front on a stock 135?

Simmons

7.5 is super skinny for a 245 - especially a wide 245 like those dunlops are

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

7.5 is super skinny for a 245 - especially a wide 245 like those dunlops are

He's autoxing...

7.5" for a 245 is plenty!

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

He's autoxing...

7.5" for a 245 is plenty!

ahh...I missed that bit.

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

ahh...I missed that bit.

No worries, he didn't mention it. But I recognize him from the Philly SCCA scene years back.

I mean, of course you're right, but they play by different rules. I've seen 275s on WRX 6.5" wheels.

As do I I guess, modestly different, but I've run 255/40s on 8" wheels for just about 15 years on the track.

[Simmons-Racing]

Yeah this is for auto X,. Do you the 42mm offset will work without rubbing?

Thanks

[Stupenal]

17x8 BBS RK et40. 16.5lbs roughly each wheel.

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by Simmons-Racing

Yeah this is for auto X,. Do you the 42mm offset will work without rubbing?

Thanks

I haven't run 245s that are that oversized, but from what I know, if you do rub a hair at high steering angles, it won't be a concern for you. You're not going to burn through tires/fender liners or anything like that. Should be minor.