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[squeegee]

I installed the setup below and was seeing if anybody had this set-up
I had some rubbing on big dips coming home from the shop.
The springs will still settle a little and worried I'm going to get a lot more rub.

18x8.5" ET45 APEX EC-7 Wheel
18x9.5" ET58 APEX EC-7 Wheel
PSS 235/40/18
PSS 265/35/18
Swift Spec R spring

[Pyrat 2]

Rubbing front or back? I had the same setup on the front but with -1.5 camber and had no issues.

[squeegee]

Fronts are rubbing, Looks like it is hitting the outside edge. I'll have to check the alignment setup. How is 1.5 camber for tire wear?

Originally Posted by HeelToe

Rubbing front or back? I had the same setup on the front but with -1.5 camber and had no issues.

[potxoli]

I have this same exact setup except with Sumitomo, not PSS, but same sizes. I also rubbed on the front right out of the gate. The part that rubs is this little plastic triangle where the bumper attaches to the fender. I ended up dremmeling a bit of plastic material away and the rub stopped.

[Pyrat 2]

No issue with tire wear on the inside at -1.5. I do track the car though so this affects the type of wear that you might see. -1.5 is not excessive though by any means and I would expect that you shouldn't see any issues.

[MightyMouseTech]

Just putting the M3 front arms in will most likely give you enough camber. Will probably sit around -1.0 or so.

[squeegee]

I have the m3 bits so I can get a little more camber. What's the most I can get before I add camber plates.

[potxoli]

I would check to see if you are rubbing the plastic triangle or not before you mess with your camber which would involve getting a full alignment right? Could be a very easy fix as it was for me.

you can put some painters masking tape on the inside of the triangle and also on the inside of the fender and that should show you whats rubbing.

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by squeegee

I have the m3 bits so I can get a little more camber. What's the most I can get before I add camber plates.

Mine is -1.3 without camber plates. I'm on bilsteins/swift springs so ride height should be the same as yours.


On another note for those talking about the front right, what has everyone done about the plastic guard over the oil cooler? My tire grinds on that frequently. Shaved it down recently and if anything it's worse now somehow.

[FactorX81]

I have the same exact setup. I posted about this problem a while ago. I picked up a pair of dinan fixed camber plates and never rubbed again.

[135]

Originally Posted by squeegee

Fronts are rubbing, Looks like it is hitting the outside edge. I'll have to check the alignment setup. How is 1.5 camber for tire wear?

Camber doesn't cause excessive (or more than the usual) tyre wear - toe does. Toe is a trade-off: straight-line/high-speed stability (toe-in) vs sharp turn-in / higher steering sensitivity (toe-out).
If you're after a street setup, for the front, you could try zero toe or minimal toe-in. For the rear, you could use a bit of toe-in so, when you accelerate, it counters to zero toe.

[135]

Originally Posted by potxoli

you can put some painters masking tape on the inside of the triangle and also on the inside of the fender and that should show you whats rubbing.

+1

[135]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

On another note for those talking about the front right, what has everyone done about the plastic guard over the oil cooler? My tire grinds on that frequently. Shaved it down recently and if anything it's worse now somehow.

I remember reading a thread about someone who modified this guard - I think they shaved/ground something and changed the screw/bolt.

Are you running 235/40/18 tyres? If so, and this doesn't help you right now unless you're due for new front tyres, you could change to 245/35/18 tyres to reduce your tyre OD by 16.5mm/0.65" from 645.2mm to 628.7mm. You then halve this for the sidewall, giving an 8.25mm/0.32" (~5/16") reduction. If you did this then you will need to contend with the extra width by possibly changing wheel offsets or using spacers (if spacers are an option). What are your wheels offsets?
If it only rubs on full-lock, you could also try a rounded-shoulder tyre.

EDIT: Here's the thread - read from post 47 onwards.

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by 135

I remember reading a thread about someone who modified this guard - I think they shaved/ground something and changed the screw/bolt.

Are you running 235/40/18 tyres? If so, and this doesn't help you right now unless you're due for new front tyres, you could change to 245/35/18 tyres to reduce your tyre OD by 16.5mm/0.65" from 645.2mm to 628.7mm. You then halve this for the sidewall, giving an 8.25mm/0.32" (~5/16") reduction. If you did this then you will need to contend with the extra width by possibly changing wheel offsets or using spacers (if spacers are an option). What are your wheels offsets?
If it only rubs on full-lock, you could also try a rounded-shoulder tyre.

EDIT: Here's the thread - read from post 47 onwards.

Wow, totally forgot about that thread. I was all over it too.

I'm running 235/35/19 on a 8" et 45 wheel. Tires are super square. I'll check out the cooler and see if I can yank it forward a few mm.

[houtan]

be careful when turning and hitting big dips. after i lowered on swift springs, installed m3 bits, and installed my apex arc 8s, 235/40 sumitomo HTR II in the front, i would get a slight rub on big bumps going straight and small bumps when turning.

i thought i was only rubbing on the black plastic in the upper corner where the bumper meets the fender, so i shaved that down. it helped but i still had a rub. every time i would check where it was rubbing i couldn't see any additional tire marks so i couldn't tell where it was rubbing. i let it be for a while and figured it would work its way out. after about a month, i checked again and could clearly see where the tire was rubbing on a little bit of the fender lip because i could see bare metal. you could see that it was rubbing on the fender when i was turning and the suspension was compressing. also you could see my fender was pulling out ever so slightly.

installed my dinan camber plates, covered up the bare metal with some primer, and got an alignment. no more rubbing, camber is set at 2.2, which is the minimum i could set it at. car drives really good and the camber plates raised up the front a little bit which is what i wanted. the swifts are supposed to be even front to rear, but i always felt it had a slight forward rake before the dinan camber plate install.

every car is different so i would start with the painters tape suggestion to see where it's rubbing. put tape on the black plastic where the bumper hits the fender and on the inner fender lip. then get it to rub and identify the areas.

[squeegee]

Running 235/40/18 but dont have the room to put on the next size up 24/35/18, would lower OD diameter but would be to wide. Would camber plates effect height. I thought I read that the Dinan camber plates raise the car by the camber plate thickness. Or possible another brand.

[P6]

Originally Posted by potxoli

I would check to see if you are rubbing the plastic triangle or not before you mess with your camber which would involve getting a full alignment right? Could be a very easy fix as it was for me.

you can put some painters masking tape on the inside of the triangle and also on the inside of the fender and that should show you whats rubbing.

If you increase negative camber you will induce more toe out. And toe is the main culprit for excessive tire wear. Well, burnouts are higher on the list for rear tires. But anyway. If you have a little mechanical ability you can adjust the front toe yourself and avoid a costly full alignment. All you need are these

http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS/555/81680...OvoaAt3Z8P8HAQ

Measure toe, jack up car, adjust tie rods, lower, remeasure. Can take a couple times to get it just right, but quicker and cheaper than a full alignment. And now you have some new tools that you can share with other 1addict members when they need to adjust toe.

[houtan]

the dinan plates raise the car up a quarter of an inch, if that. tbh, with the swift springs, it puts the front more level with the rear. I have some pictures posted in my profile if you want to see.

Originally Posted by squeegee

Running 235/40/18 but dont have the room to put on the next size up 24/35/18, would lower OD diameter but would be to wide. Would camber plates effect height. I thought I read that the Dinan camber plates raise the car by the camber plate thickness. Or possible another brand.

[ASAP]

Will this setup be an issue with stock ride height and stock camber?

EC 7 18 Inch sizes with 1 series offsets
PSS 235F/265R

[houtan]

It's hard to say for sure because every car is different, but my guess is it'll rub when the suspension compresses far enough for tire to be past the fender. You could try out the setup but be prepared to at least by camber plates to get some additional clearance.

[bokyo1987]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Will this setup be an issue with stock ride height and stock camber?

EC 7 18 Inch sizes with 1 series offsets
PSS 235F/265R

I run 235F/275R PS A/S 3s on stock suspension. No noticeable rubbing when driving.

[FactorX81]

My EC7 PSS 235/265 rubbed on stock suspension here's my thread

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=873418

Dinan plates fixed it for me, NJ, NYC roads are terrible.