1M crash no. 4

[as7920]

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http://www.gtspirit.com/2011/07/31/c...n-switzerland/

Another test drive.

Well the more that get trashed the more mine goes up in value. 2697 units remaining LOL.

[Papethova]

Originally Posted by as7920

http://www.gtspirit.com/2011/07/31/c...n-switzerland/

Another test drive.

Well the more that get trashed the more mine goes up in value. 2697 units remaining LOL.

If youre assuming 2700 units production then 2696 remain lol

[Satalite]

Originally Posted by Papethova

If youre assuming 2700 units production then 2696 remain lol

People need to be a little more careful on the roads! Seems like wet road conditions + 1M = wreck...

[JimBilly]

Not good for insurance rates

[1SerieStud]

At this rate mine will be the only accident-free 1M when I get it.

[Ulmi]

old.... already posted

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Satalite

People need to be a little more careful on the roads! Seems like wet road conditions + 1M = wreck...

no... the driver is the cause. I love how the article said " because of the wet road".. the wet road was not the cause of the loss.

The driver running out of talent was the cause of the accident.


The more proper formula is .....

wet road conditions + 1M + driver turning off DCS/MDM + driver running out of talent = wreck.


Same thing Happens nearly every friday and saturday night with tons of Ford Mustang and Chevrolet Camaros..

[bayer]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

no... the driver is the cause. I love how the article said " because of the wet road".. the wet road was not the cause of the loss.

The driver running out of talent was the cause of the accident.


The more proper formula is .....

wet road conditions + 1M + driver turning off DCS/MDM + driver running out of talent = wreck.


Same thing Happens nearly every friday and saturday night with tons of Ford Mustang and Chevrolet Camaros..

+1

[EINSER M]

it was a kid driving, im sure he was trying stupid tricks to impress his passenger. i hope they make him buy the damn car.

[desertfox73]

This doesn't make sense...in the US it doesn't even appear to be possible to get a test-drive in a 1M (based on what I have read in the 1M forums), let alone get a test-drive without the salesperson on board. What SA would hand the keys over to a 25-year-old with a 21-year-old passenger and hope all goes well?

This sounds like a whole casserole of bad decisions. No offense so 25- and 21-year-olds.

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

wet road conditions + 1M + driver turning off DCS/MDM + driver running out of talent = wreck.

I bet he had enough "talent/skills" untill the third fish-tale! Then he became a passenger!! Just along for the ride.

[szcyxzh]

Originally Posted by ianf2002

I would expect a tuned 135i would be easier to lose control. The 1M has better suspension, LSD, tyres etc.

only if not turn off

[Dan Parker]

This is happening at a much quicker rate than I expected.

I predicted attrition but not this fast. The 1M leans toward oversteer and this is the reason they will catch many off guard. Parents, please don't consider this a graduation present!

[1speedbike]

These cars seem to hate wet roads. If the traction is such a problem when it's DRY, what do you think's gonna happen when things are wet

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by 1speedbike

These cars seem to hate wet roads. If the traction is such a problem when it's DRY, what do you think's gonna happen when things are wet

I'll say it again. NOTHING to do with WET ROADS. As Dan indicated, the 1M tends to oversteer, and second it has a ton of power, such that it can break the rear tires free easily on DRY pavement.


At the 1 series M coupe pre-drive, there were 12 drivers, most were novices when it comes to track. Pavement was wet all day on the street and Track. No spins at all but we were told not to take it out of M Dynamic mode. You can floor the pedal and you can kick the tail out, but still maintain control with MDM on, as it does intervene. I was able to reach 225 kph on the test track (137 mph) and negotiated
several curves at very near those speeds..

As a matter of face a driver at their first DE should leave MDM on probably as they likely won't find it holding them back.


if you are going to turn off MDM, you better know what the hell you are doing when it comes to oversteer, and controlling one's steering inputs. For my money, that would be at an advanced level when it comes to hpde.

casual drivers WILL get in over their heads easily. And it's the DRIVER that makes the error. Just like guns. Guns don't kill, people do. Cars don't crash, (in the dry or wet), drivers lose control and crash their cars.

[Dee Pee]

http://www.gtspirit.com/2011/07/31/c...-south-africa/

So far it's:
1. South Korea (VO)
2. Switzerland (AW)
3. Poland (VO)
4. South Africa (AW)

I'd say out of all four of them, the only one that was totaled was South Africa.

[silvs]

Originally Posted by 1speedbike

These cars seem to hate wet roads. If the traction is such a problem when it's DRY, what do you think's gonna happen when things are wet

I'm not so sure there are tons of problems with dry handling. Only 2 crashes so far that were result of driver error, it seems. One was in wet conditions, the other maybe dry.

It does seem however that this is a car you need to be careful with. If I end up getting one (first on wait list right now), I'm very tempted to try to get PDC delivery or at least maybe take a class and get more familiar with the car in a safe area.

This would be my first extremely torquey RWD car. A bit nervous, and would like to have it for a long long time.

[1speedbike]

Originally Posted by silvs

I'm not so sure there are tons of problems with dry handling. Only 2 crashes so far that were result of driver error, it seems. One was in wet conditions, the other maybe dry.

It does seem however that this is a car you need to be careful with. If I end up getting one (first on wait list right now), I'm very tempted to try to get PDC delivery or at least maybe take a class and get more familiar with the car in a safe area.

This would be my first extremely torquey RWD car. A bit nervous, and would like to have it for a long long time.

While I haven't driven the car myself, many reviews have noted that the DSC engages way too often, signalling that there is a traction problem.

In my 135i, the problem is even more pronounced. The stock tires can't handle the stock engine power. With my tune, even upgraded tires (not top-of-the-line, but not the crappy RFTs that come with the car) cannot handle any of 1st gear, and much of 2nd. With map 2 on the JB4 I can make the car go sideways at 50 mph. Damn,

This is with no LSD and thinner tires (but still 8.5 inchers!) in back. The 1M is obviously more planted, but given the reviewer comments and the general nature of the engine, I'm inclined to believe traction at lower speeds is an issue.

It's not a particularly bad thing. The N54 engine is a torque monster. That's awesome

It just takes some care to drive properly. One time my flip-flop got caught around the accelerator pedal on a dry road while making a left turn. The more I tried to brake, the more the car accelerated (didn't realize what was going on at first). Did a full 360 on a big road (no cars around at the time thankfully) without meaning to, so easily. In the 2 seconds it took me to realize what was happening and put a stop to it I had already spun out in a grand fashion. It's SO easy to spin out / go sideways in the 135i, so 1M guys be careful in yours! I have a feeling that even the LSD and tires can't fully "save" you from the massive amount of force going through the wheels! Safety first, especially with DTC/DSC fully off. And don't wear flip flops

[Dan Parker]

Every wreck has a moment in time when it can be avoided so the issue of the wreck(s) being in the wet ultimately comes back to driver error.
The tires are good in the wet but throttle must be respected. Torque spins tires. Finding the limits often means crossing them. If you aren't testing grip levels while leaving room for error this kind of thing is bound to happen a lot.
One other factor that I haven't heard mentioned is the size of the wheels/tires on the 1M. 19" wheels with low profile sidewalls means the sidewall is very stiff and unforgiving, especially if the tire pressures aren't ideal. When the car lets go (wet) it happens fast and isn't easy to detect until it's suddenly coming around. Add the short wheel base and a lot of front end grip and whammo! In the dry the tires will make noise first but in the wet it's your brain and body that senses what the car is doing. I bet these accidents started with a big smile on their face because the car was exciting and it suddenly turned to panic. The "M" button is begging to be pushed and in my opinion that can add a lot more danger to the car. I'm glad I did a track day with my 1M as I found out a lot more about my car than any trip to the dragons tail could teach. Performance delivery, auto-x, and HPDE is a wise investment. I fear this trend will continue and as much as I want a rare car this isn't the way we want to get it.

[Grey Dove]

An "advanced" or "///M" training course is highly recommendabel for people with no track experience. You'll get lessons from skillfull teachers and if you have to pay for it consider it money well spend IMO

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by gs/e60/1m?

An "advanced" or "///M" training course is highly recommendabel for people with no track experience. You'll get lessons from skillfull teachers and if you have to pay for it consider it money well spend IMO

I might even suggest joining BMW CCA and attending a Driver's Education event. but that would be a shameless plug... ............................... OK

[Advevo]

25 year old test drive.

Says enough. When i was younger i had no common sense either. It s still not there though.

Put this guy in any other 300 plus sportscar the same wil happen. I have a GT3 also that car is much more dangerous on the limit then any 1M coupe.

So it s certainly not to blame the 1M coupe. You need to be very serious if you drive fast cars and use you're sense.