My time with the 1M as a former owner of a chipped N54 motor (Updated with some pics)

[MrRoboto]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

You may never push your car the way I push my cars, that's fine the 1M may be the perfect car for you.

Rocket man Bubbles.

[ScarecrowBoat]

Originally Posted by techthentic

obvious troll is obvious.
would've believed you until your dct comment.
idiot. torque does not diminish with heat. and my 335i far exceeds your Dinan Stage II.

Somebody's an idiot, it absolutely does. My car had serious heat soak in only 65 degree ambient temps.

[1SerieStud]

hahahahahah oh man that was funny! Thanks for the laugh!!

Originally Posted by MrRoboto

Rocket man Bubbles.

[Brandon26pdx]

Like I said, go dump some regular unleaded in the tank and install some hot air intakes (instead of the well-designed stock intake) and report back after taking the car out for a rip on a hot day. It may not go into "limp mode" per se, but the ECU will be trimming back power significantly enough to make the car feel "slow" and "heat soaked" so as not to grenade the motor. Even sitting in traffic on a hot day will heak soak the engine enough to notice. it's clear some of you guys have never daily driven a high performance turbocharged engine, otherwise this thread would be the world's most obvious obviousness.

[Papethova]

Originally Posted by adrean8j

The skittishness has been mentioned before by journalistic reviews.

Havent driven a 1M but I feel the "skittishness" is 1 series specific thing. I noticed it in the 135 immediately as I wasnt used to it, now I know the car and cant even tell its there because my driving adapted to it.

may be a non issue for 1 series owners upgrading to a 1M

[Redadair]

This post is an Epic Fail.

All this pissing back and forth based on one persons opinion of the 1M on a race track? We have no idea what skill level this person has regardless of how many times he may go to the track.

What we do know is that BMW has increased the cooling flow for the 1M to make it track worthy making a comparison between the 1M and 335i or 135i a mute point. Since early 335i's without Oil Coolers did have overheating issues. Most important is no one else has reported this issue on the 1M.

There is no reason to place any credibility on this post what's so ever. Compare what you have read here vs all the test reviews from legitimate sources, what do you come up with?

Over and done.

[Dan Parker]

"Compare what you have read here vs all the test reviews from legitimate sources, what do you come up with?"

As far as I know the magazines didn't do any hot weather testing like we have. Why not ask the OP what his experience is?

This thread shows the many reasons why arguments go in circles in forums. If we were all face to face this conversation would be very different.

[Redadair]

Originally Posted by Dan Parker

"Compare what you have read here vs all the test reviews from legitimate sources, what do you come up with?"

As far as I know the magazines didn't do any hot weather testing like we have. Why not ask the OP what his experience is?

This thread shows the many reasons why arguments go in circles in forums. If we were all face to face this conversation would be very different.

So Dan, did you have overheating, heat soak, and or reduced torque on your tack day in the heat?

[Brandon26pdx]

magazines only have access to the cars for a very limited period of time also...the ambient conditions at the time can shape opinions or at least what gets reported. Owners eventually get to experience all ambient conditions with the same exact car, and can become more familiar with subtle changes in performance due to them.

In short; magazine articles never tell the whole story. They simply aren't able to.

[Redadair]

Originally Posted by Brandon26pdx

magazines only have access to the cars for a very limited period of time also...the ambient conditions at the time can shape opinions or at least what gets reported. Owners eventually get to experience all ambient conditions with the same exact car, and can become more familiar with subtle changes in performance due to them.

In short; magazine articles never tell the whole story. They simply aren't able to.

Agreed to a point, however it's still early in the reviews of the 1M, quite sure we will see track compos in the future. This this heat soak issue was a real big issue BMW and early testers would have found it early on in development.

[DiavelM3]

Originally Posted by Redadair

Agreed to a point, however it's still early in the reviews of the 1M, quite sure we will see track compos in the future. This this heat soak issue was a real big issue BMW and early testers would have found it early on in development.

Didn't they say the same thing about the HPFP??

[DiavelM3]

Originally Posted by Brandon26pdx

magazines only have access to the cars for a very limited period of time also...the ambient conditions at the time can shape opinions or at least what gets reported. Owners eventually get to experience all ambient conditions with the same exact car, and can become more familiar with subtle changes in performance due to them.

In short; magazine articles never tell the whole story. They simply aren't able to.

And sadly, some people take the experience\reviews in the magazine articles as if it were the bible itself..
With NO personal experience themselves, eh Redadair?

[Dan Parker]

So Dan, did you have overheating, heat soak, and or reduced torque on your tack day in the heat?

Not trying to be a dick but for calling this thread an epic fail you obviously didn't read it.

[Redadair]

Originally Posted by Dan Parker

Not trying to be a dick but for calling this thread an epic fail you obviously didn't read it.

No I have read this post including your responses but they were quite vague. So again did you or didn't you experience the same thing as the OP? Not really that tough a question is it? Richard.

You are the only other person to post about a hot day at the track, right. You don't mention any of the OP issues in your own "Track Day High Heat Data Video" post.

[Dan Parker]

Very easy to answer your question but it's also 1 page back.

"I never backed off for a cool down lap. I pushed it hard lap after lap and the temp stayed at 270-280 without any loss of power. When the checkered was waved I took my cool down/in lap. That's when temps would drop down quickly."

[Redadair]

Originally Posted by ferrari4evr1

And sadly, some people take the experience\reviews in the magazine articles as if it were the bible itself..
With NO personal experience themselves, eh Redadair?

Very funny. you just crack me up. You are basing experience on what? Who are you?

By the way how is your 1M to drive, have you had any of the same heat issues with your's

[Redadair]

Originally Posted by Dan Parker

Very easy to answer your question but it's also 1 page back.

"I never backed off for a cool down lap. I pushed it hard lap after lap and the temp stayed at 270-280 without any loss of power. When the checkered was waved I took my cool down/in lap. That's when temps would drop down quickly."

I must say you have me a bit confused. Are you backing the OP? Since you didn't have these same issues and no one else has either but you are blasting my comments about an Epic Fail because of all the Pissing on each other that this post has caused. What ever dude.

[adrean8j]

^^^Isn't this just like comparing two tuned 135i's with same/similar mods...one gets limp mode and one didn't? Which I mentioned happened a page or so back BTW...and on the same track as Dan Parker was at to boot....

[Dan Parker]

The OP was on a different track with very few straights. Lack of high speed = less airflow over coolers = higher temps. That's what it sounds like to me, that's all.

I've been wrong, once before.

[DiavelM3]

Originally Posted by Redadair

Very funny. you just crack me up. You are basing experience on what? Who are you?

By the way how is your 1M to drive, have you had any of the same heat issues with your's

Thank you, thank you! I try

Actually, I don't have a 1M but I suppose you can give us insight with your grand expertise behind the wheel of yours? Oh wait, you havent got one yet either.
Who am I? I am like Switzerland here. I am just keeping an open and neutral mind about this car. I dont put it on a pedestal like you do. Nor do I go by magazine articles and not personal experience. Your expert magazine article readings trumps the OP and Dan Parker here.. We get it.
Also, don't worry but YOUR 1M will be perfect Redadair. It will not suffer from exhaust droning, Heat soak or anything else.
BMW is taking extra precautions to make sure your car has no faults whatsoever....
So who are you to tell the OP that his opinions\experience behind the wheel of the 1M has no credibility and means zero? How much time have you spent on a track? How much time have you spent behind the 1M? Oh yeah, ZERO. All your facts are based on magazine articles and a few youtube video's...

[Redadair]

Originally Posted by ferrari4evr1

Thank you, thank you! I try

Actually, I don't have a 1M but I suppose you can give us insight with your grand expertise behind the wheel of yours? Oh wait, you havent got one yet either.
Who am I? I am like Switzerland here. I am just keeping an open and neutral mind about this car. I dont put it on a pedestal like you do. Nor do I go by magazine articles and not personal experience. Your expert magazine article readings trumps the OP and Dan Parker here.. We get it.
Also, don't worry but YOUR 1M will be perfect Redadair. It will not suffer from exhaust droning, Heat soak or anything else.
BMW is taking extra precautions to make sure your car has no faults whatsoever....
So who are you to tell the OP that his opinions\experience behind the wheel of the 1M has no credibility and means zero? How much time have you spent on a track? How much time have you spent behind the 1M? Oh yeah, ZERO. All your facts are based on magazine articles and a few youtube video's...

At least I own a BMW with the N54 engine. With an JB4 chip. I also live less than 50 miles from the Miller Motorsports track of which both clubs I am a member to SCCA and BMWCCA regularly have open day track events at Miller. I have tracked my 07 335i and my 05 Subaru STi many, many times since 05.

But since you have read this post I am sure you have read my entries about Miller Sportspart track, right.

I have never had the HPFP issue, or limp mode on my car. I have ran at Miller in over 100 degree temps without any limp mode or significant loss of power in either car.

But as you say my cars are perfect.

And your extensive experience is?

[1speedbike]

Originally Posted by chesterfan1230

Wow someone comes and gives an honest review about the 1m and his experience with heat soak and you guys treat him as if he's trying to pull some elitist crap?

Get over yourselves guys.

I track my 135i with the SAME engine as the 1m. Also have Catless downpipes, intakes and other performance mods.
I have an LSD, Coilovers and part ///m suspension.

I also am putting an intercooler / methanol injection.

I can tell you for sure. After 3-4 laps and temperatures going above 250-260 you will DEFINITELY see a noticeable decrease in power. If you don't you're either
A. Running lots of Meth to keep the engine very cool and have dual oil coolers
B. Not pushing your car hard enough to feel heat soak
C. Not very attentive to the way the car responds and drives.

At the end of the day the 1M is still an N54 powered 1 series with lots of carefully engineered suspension package (Fenders, Suspension components even LSD).

+1

And wow. Just wow. You guys are worse than the absolute immaturity I see on VW forums.

One guy posted his honest opinion on the car. Can someone have an opinion that doesn't overlap directly with yours? Apparently not. He liked it for the most part but had some gripes. So.. someone has a genuine complaint in his eyes about a car you like.. That doesn't mean you respond with "OMG YOU ARE LYING THIS CAR IS THE BEST EVAR IT WILL NEVER BE BEAT EVER IT IS BETTER THAN BIG FAT M3S AND PORCHES AND EVERYTHING; M3 GUYS JUST HATE ON US" ...well they hate on you because you make yourselves such easy targets. There's a word for that.. oh yeah..



Here's somewhat of a kicker. The 1M is 90% 2010 N54 135i. There ya go. It's a 135i with the PPK (software and an extra oil cooler, 135i already has one cooler), LSD, suspension, and wider fenders for the wheels. Look up the part numbers on realoem. Same intake manifold, piston rings, "lightweight" crankshaft, intake, intercooler + piping, exhaust (other than the axleback, part numbers only changed due to cat changes for emissions), engine, chassis, etc etc.

It's a bit of parts bin car, prone to the VERY SAME heat soak issues that the _35i and _35is cars are prone to (yes the "is" cars experience heat soak as well, even with their extra oil and water cooler). Though I still love it and I wish they would continue production an extra year or so just so I could buy one, the fact that some of you half turned it into your personal golden calf is ridiculous. I am a proud 1er owner, and an admitted wannabe 1M owner. Grow up, and learn to take one critical point about an otherwise great car. I won't be coming back to this thread again, children.