138i or Used 911 Turbo

[bill_m3]

I'm stuck in a dilemma and need some advice. I have been researching the 135i for months and had decided I would be ordering one in December. However, I found someone selling a 2001 911 Turbo with very low miles (~30k) for the same price as the 1 would cost me. I've not driven either car (my BMW dealer only has automatic 135's so I've been waiting for a manual transmission to test drive). The car will be my daily driver. I have another car to haul around the family. Please help me with the Pros and Cons of each. Obviously, lack of warranty on the 911 will be a Con.

***I didn't realize until after I posted that I typed "138i" in the Subject...can't figure out how to correct that***

Thanks,
Bill

[mistermojorizin]

the 135 will be smoother, more practical, and cheaper to maintain. the porsche will be more fun, faster, handle better, more of a real sports car, with real sports car driver involvement.

if its a 2nd car, just drive both. the 135 is a great gt for someone that needs it as their primary vehicle. there are much more fun cars for you "2nd car."

[Sephiroth]

The 911 TT is an absolutely insane car. If you aren't worried about things breaking then there is no comparison necessary.

[VFX]

Have you driven the 911 Turbo?

What year is it?

If you're willing to eat the extra costs of running a Porsche do it!

There's no contest if you want a true driver's car.

If you want a daily driver & are going to be putting a lot of miles on it then stick with the 135i.

The 911 Turbo running costs are scary!

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[MaleNurse]

spending that amount of money better come with warranty.
i would opt for the 135 due to warranty issues.

[jayce]

So far, people are only talking about the $.

Their conclusion is, if u got $, go for 911, if not, go for 135i

I'd rather talk about something else.

style? obviously 911. with all respect, 911 simply looks better than 135i
performance? again 911. if the 135i is a monster, 911 is one son of a devil
brand name? porsche wins again
handling? 911, suspension? 911, ETC 911 all the way (i ordered a 135i myself dont get me wrong)
911 OWNS 135i

who the hell cares if it's 2001 or 3001. the look of 911 has not changed much since then. just take a look at google and there you go

[VFX]

When talking 911 Turbo's you cannot ignore the money considerations.

Everyone here knows that a 911 will kill a 135 in driving experience so no need go there.

Google wont tell you that it makes a huge difference what year the car is in terms of warranty & running costs.

Also, look at a 993 turbo, a 996 turbo & a 997 turbo and tell me not much has changed.

Drive them and you'll also see there's a vast difference between them.

As a current & previous Porsche owner I can say that 911 Turbo running costs are not to be ignored.

If I used one for my daily commute, I'd drop the price of a 135i in running costs about every 4-5 yrs.

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[bill_m3]

"If I used one for my daily commute, I'd drop the price of a 135i in running costs about every 4-5 yrs."

That sounds like a show stopper to me. Wow! I was thinking maybe a couple grand a year max in maint.

[buckwheat986]

911 turbo..its worth it...

[imported_mega]

Originally Posted by VFX

If I used one for my daily commute, I'd drop the price of a 135i in running costs about every 4-5 yrs.

what costs 30,000 $ in maint on this car every 4-5 years?

[VFX]

Originally Posted by mega

what costs 30,000 $ in maint on this car every 4-5 years?

My old 996TT had PCCB & I never used it as a daily driver, but if I did, given that I do at least 60k per year, in 5 yrs I will have averaged over 300k.

I didn't replace my rotor's in the time I owned it but a friend had to replace his after 70k at a cost of $11k fronts & $9k rears.

They're supposed to last 300k but I've not seen a set that has, and even if they do last the 300k then over 5 yrs that's $20k in rotors right away.

Don't have PCCB? then you're looking at changing rotors & pads every 20k to 30k at over $2000 a pop.

My rear tires lasted me around 12k & at that wear rate, I'd need around 25 sets of rears & around 15 sets of fronts.

Just the cost of brakes & tires alone could run you a nice 135i!

And then you have to pay for servicing every 20k/2 yrs which ever comes 1st.

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[imported_mega]

wow you got ripped off

here's a sample generic quote on brakes, 800 $ per end

http://www.gpimports.com/Service/Par...T-Service.html

the bmw is going to cost you brakes & rotors, and will cost you the same number of tires

I'm not seeing any big increase in cost on a 911tt vs a 135i

[VFX]

Originally Posted by mega

here's a sample generic quote on brakes, 800 $ per end

Ripped off? Not really. I never bought standard rotors as I had PCCB.

But $1600 compared to over $2000? There's not a huge difference there when you're talking this level of car.

Factor in the Porsche dealer margin & the fact that I don't live in Oregon there's your difference.

oh & there's the Canadian dollar to consider.

How I wish I could get Porsche servicing for those costs up here!

(btw. when I had the 996tt it was in the UK & the prices for non-PCCB are more like $1600 per axle!)
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[Sephiroth]

I've heard they've improved on PCCB with the 997. Regardless, the 996 is worth the money IMO.

[VFX]

Originally Posted by 1love

I've heard they've improved on PCCB with the 997. Regardless, the 996 is worth the money IMO.

Apparently they last somewhere closer to the projected 300k but I still hear about them wearing out before then.

996tt is worth the money if you feel the grin it puts on your face is worth it.

If I could do it again, I would've bought a C4S.

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[audi2bmw1]

i drove a 911 and wasnt impressed at all my audi tt was hella faster...lol this shouldnt be the case but im thinking the turbo or engine was shot...car woudlnt accelerate for shit....lol the car was nice other than that...they wanted 55k i wouldnt give them 15k for it..ha the 135i is a beast

[adc]

Originally Posted by mega

here's a sample generic quote on brakes, 800 $ per end (...) the bmw is going to cost you brakes & rotors, and will cost you the same number of tires

I'm not seeing any big increase in cost on a 911tt vs a 135i

I think there is a very big difference.

For the used 2001 911 TT, bought at 30k miles for 15k miles/year for 5 years:
1. $1600 for brakes every 25k miles would mean around $3200 plus labor.
2. 5 sets of rear tires ($760/set) and probably 3 sets of front tires ($420/set) - that's $5k.
3. Not sure, but I bet Porsche 2/year oil changes (10 changes total) and the 2 year service (done twice) are likely to cost around $4k if not more.
4. Anything that breaks - and something surely will between miles 30,000 and 90,000 - will cost at least 2-3 times to fix as it does on a 135i.
5. Any additional wear and tear items - take your pick, around $100 per year perhaps?

Grand total around $12,700 and that is if nothing else breaks.


During the same 5 year/60k mi ownership, the new 135i will have the following running costs:
- No cost for brakes, covered for the first 4 years/50k miles and most likely replaced once just before the warranty/maintenance ends.
- Rear tires last about 18k miles, fronts around 25k miles - you will therefore need 3 rear sets ($670) and 2 front sets ($540) for a total of $3k.
- One out of pocket oil change at the most (first 4 years/50k miles covered free) - around $100
- No other wear and tear items, all covered for the first 50k miles.

Total around $3,100.


For the difference in running costs (minimum $9,500) you can do a lot of modifications to the 135i, or get a new one via Euro Delivery after 2 years...

[imported_mega]

1600 is only if your rotors need replacing, pads are cheap your labor quote is crazy high too

why are you factoring in more for porsche tires, bmw tires last longer? I dont think so


as far as I can tell the porsche increase in ownership cost is negligible at best, oil changes and maybe some pads and wipers is about all the bmw wear/tear 50k warranty is good for

[adc]

Originally Posted by mega

1600 is only if your rotors need replacing, pads are cheap your labor quote is crazy high too

According to the other poster who owns one, the 911 TT equipped with standard rotors needs a set of fresh ones every 20-30k miles.

As far as labor goes, have you called your local P dealer to inquire? They have CRAZY quotes, especially for the high end cars.

why are you factoring in more for porsche tires, bmw tires last longer? I dont think so

Absolutely yes. For the level of power, weight etc. the rear tires on the 911 TT will last only 12k miles, according to the poster who actually owns one.

On my last 3 RWD BMW's the rear tires have lasted around 15-18k miles, depending on various factors (number of track days, rubber compound etc.).

For instance, PS1 only lasted 15-16k mi, but PS2 lasted 18k mi.

as far as I can tell the porsche increase in ownership cost is negligible at best, oil changes and maybe some pads and wipers is about all the bmw wear/tear 50k warranty is good for

I think you are discarding some very important things here, as I mentioned above. You are doing that at your own cost, of course - I have no stake in this.

Ask anybody who has owned a daily-driven 911 TT - I bet their answer is unanimous.

[imported_mega]

If you take a p car to a dealer your nuts, indy's all the way

[scrapiron7]

Originally Posted by VFX

given that I do at least 60k per year.

That's average of about 168 miles every day of every week, year long. :eyebulge: I'd hate to pay your fuel bills.

[VFX]

Originally Posted by scrapiron7

That's average of about 168 miles every day of every week, year long. :eyebulge: I'd hate to pay your fuel bills.

Luckily for me with the rising fuel cost & everything, most of my fuel costs are covered.

oh & it's km's not miles so average of 200 km's (125 miles) per work day.

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