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[arrutled]

Originally Posted by RobMason

So, in short,
it is aggressive,
you won't how much until it is mounted.
And the fender will have to be altered.

Got it.

Nothing would have to be altered, unless you want like 255/285 sizes in there. a 245/265 would not require any alterations

[larryn]

...and it is not even a definite that 255/285 would need modifications. This is all tire specific, as we know different tires of the same stamped size are rarely equal in actual size. I've had a very bad experience with spacers (having one of my rear tire/wheel pass my car at a driving event), and I'm psyched that I will not need them anymore.

At a minimum, I'll be running 255/275 18" Star Specs (unless there is a new "hot tire" coming out by the time I purchase rubber for these wheels).

[Eddy@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by RobMason

So, in short,
it is aggressive,
you won't how much until it is mounted.
And the fender will have to be altered.

Got it.

How did you come to fender modification conclusion?

Yes, all the assumptions can go away once we have samples. We'll mount them on a stock car, and modified car. It's the only real way to prove anything.

[Jaguar66]

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[Eddy@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by RobMason

Perhaps I assumed too much when I read this statement.

Quote: "Beefy wheel/tire setups will always require work to fit."

An aggressive wheel/TIRE setup will always require work to fit.

Some people are talking about mounting 225's, 235's, 245's, 255's. It is entirely dependent on which tire we are talking about. When the samples arrive, we'll be able to show which tire sizes mount up without any modification. Which ones need some camber added, and which ones could need some fender work.

Obviously a 255 in the front can't be guaranteed as a bolt on fitment. It's not even a fair comparison to other wheels out there. If you threw something that aggressive onto the breytons you're still going to see problems, if you can even get them on the rim.

These wheels can accommodate wide rubber. For those who want to max it out, there may be some extra suspension upgrades, or other work to do. For others, more traditional sizes will fit.

These aren't the first 18x8.5's with this kind of offset. My comment goes for all cars out there, and was an emphasis on the wheel/TIRE package as a whole. These wheels are not overly aggressive when mounted with comparable tires to what people are running on other wheel combos.

[Eddy@ApexWheels]

Just some updated images of the new colors.

Here are the 4 colors we're looking to produce the 18's in.




this last photo shows the 6 colors we've done to date, purely for comparison purposes. Matte black will no longer be produced, it's almost a flat primer paint that scratches easily. Motorsport although very unique has not seen enough demand. It will only be used for limited groupbuy batches in the future and not this initial batch. The above 4 color are set. one off colors cannot be done. it would take 10-15 ADDITIONAL people to produce something other then the 4 main colors above.

[romak47]

id like to see some pics of the hyperblack and hypersilvers on the 135.. perferably a BSM 1er..

[Eddy@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by romak47

id like to see some pics of the hyperblack and hypersilvers on the 135.. perferably a BSM 1er..

Will post pictures of sample wheels mounted on a 1 series after the 18th.

[arrutled]

they all look really good! thanks eddy!

[larryn]

Hi Eddy, You mentioned the durability of the flat black being not that great. By any chance, is there a finish that seems to be one that is more durable than the others (even slightly so)? Loaded question, I know, but some finishes are just more durable than other (including on our cars).

Also, at what point do we commit to the finish of our wheels, for those who've paid for theirs already? I would have to think we're just about at that point...

Lastly, the wheels above look to be your 17" ones. The 18" prototype mockups on Facebook look like they have a little dish to them. Will that be the case with our offset 18" wheels as well?

[Spartikus]

Out of all those, I prefer Hyper silver. It just pops out to me.

[MastaMind]

What's the center bore and will they accommodate the OEM center caps?

[Eddy@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by larryn

Hi Eddy, You mentioned the durability of the flat black being not that great. By any chance, is there a finish that seems to be one that is more durable than the others (even slightly so)? Loaded question, I know, but some finishes are just more durable than other (including on our cars).

Also, at what point do we commit to the finish of our wheels, for those who've paid for theirs already? I would have to think we're just about at that point...

Lastly, the wheels above look to be your 17" ones. The 18" prototype mockups on Facebook look like they have a little dish to them. Will that be the case with our offset 18" wheels as well?

Larry,

All the wheels with a full clear coat are durable. Satin black is still a semi-gloss finish. It's no different from any manufacturer... if durability is also a measure of the ease to repair a wheel, then anthracite is the best. The Hyper finishes have a base coat and a top coat and the resulting finish comes from the layering effect of the coats. But as long as you don't damage the the clear your fine. It's a loaded question yes, as I haven't had a single issue to date.

You don't have to commit to the finish for a while if you don't want. As this will be open to the public very soon, it will be their first chance to select a color. Everyone will need to be committed before the the groupbuy close date.

The wheels are our current 17's. The 18's will have a little more dish to them. the concave 18's will for sure, but that particular design is not applicable to the 1 series due to offsets. The spokes will angle in about 1.5-2"

[Eddy@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by MastaMind

What's the center bore and will they accommodate the OEM center caps?

The centerbore is 72.6mm, a direct fitment. No rings are needed. The wheels do accept BMW oem center caps. part# 36 13 1 095 361. Although I've recently heard that there is a nicer/more expensive oem cap that fits this application as well.

Point being, that these were specifically designed to take a bmw roundel.

[SlicktopTTZ]

I will definitely purchase a set of these for my 135 once I have the money. Please keep these in production! Also are there an plans for widening the rear to fit some Vette sized tires (315's or wider) in the future? We are going to need it once we get some turbo kits on the market!

[Eddy@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ

I will definitely purchase a set of these for my 135 once I have the money. Please keep these in production! Also are there an plans for widening the rear to fit some Vette sized tires (315's or wider) in the future? We are going to need it once we get some turbo kits on the market!

9.5" is already wide. We have no intention of going to 10" or wider at this time. BUT we do have the capability of doing so if true demand does come up in the years so come. Every single person would need to heavily modify the body of their car to fit such a tire. To produce a custom fitment for something that needs so much modification is not possible right now.

I'm pretty sure we will be seeing 275's mounted on these wheels by a number of buyers (which will also need some tweaking). The rim can handle even wider rubber then that, so the wheel is not the limit at this point, it's the car. These will probably satisfy a lot of needs for now.

[SlicktopTTZ]

Would these with 275s require fender rolling or would rolling the fender allow for more tire front and rear?

[Eddy@ApexWheels]

Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ

Would these with 275s require fender rolling or would rolling the fender allow for more tire front and rear?

fender rolling would be needed for sure for a 275. The same goes for the front if you want to put an extra wide tire on.

Any time you mount tires that are significantly larger then stock you will need to modify the car in some way. So although these wheels can accommodate very wide tires, a 235/265 setup will most likely be the easy-to-fit aggressive fitment on these wheels (to be tested).

[larryn]

Personally, I've had 275s Hoosiers on back with no rolling/modification on a lowered 135i. I'm hoping to get at least 275's on. Right now my tire of choice will be Dunlop Star Specs, who don't make a 285 at the moment.

Btw, thanks for the info, Eddy!

[arrutled]

unfortunately I don't think star specs come in 245/35 or 275/30 so if you want star specs youll have to have 245/40 and 275/35. Kuhmo seems like the only extreme performance on tirerack with the smaller sidewall

[larryn]

I'm very okay with that. Our speedos are off by a fair percentage already. I'd probably do 255/35/18 and 275/35/18, with the current Star Spec offerings.

That corresponds to only a difference in diameter of 1% for the fronts and 3% for the rears. At 60mph, the speedo would read 62mph. Not a huge deal for me, seeing there already is a factory programmed fudge factor on actual to indicated.

By the way, the Kumhos you'd want are the XS (not the MX), which are similarly sized to the Dunlops, and don't even have a 255 18" offering.

[arrutled]

Right, The XS is what I meant to put there. And good idea with the 255/35. I am currently creating a wheel/tire calculator in excel. 245/35 you could obtain enough clearance with 1.5 degrees of negative camber. with 255/35 you will obtain the same clearance at 3 degrees of negative camber. Trigonometry actually came in handy after 8 years. PM me your email address if you wanna see what I have created