135i Four Season Wrap-up - Is 300hp too much?

shodanusmc · 06-11-2009, 12:51 PM

Our 135 vert is a great car, but I wish it came with 430 HP standard, and warranteed!

Excitmnt94 · 06-11-2009, 01:04 PM

good read...

BrokenVert · 06-11-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ptack

My point is that an automotive journalist is usually expected to be a gear head who would never say no to a bigger engine (he's not buying, just test driving). Consumers tend to be more pragmatic since money matters.
The M3 is a good analogy. If he thinks a 135i has too much power would he even get in an M3 or would that be too darn scary?

You are arguing two different points. Hes not saying that 300HP is too much power. He is deabating whether 300HP in a car as small as the 1 series is too much. And it very well may be for some people. I like consumer biased reviews, let us not forget that the gearhead reviewers always say that the 1er needs to be a 3er.

An M3 is a much bigger car and therefore can handle more power.

Genericuser1 · 06-11-2009, 03:00 PM

Legions of 400 and 500hp STI’s and Evo’s say “You can’t have too much power”! Mine has probably 330-340 at the crank and it’s beginning to feel slow. The 135i is an enthusiast car, sure it would be best if it lost a few hundred pounds and stiffened up the suspension but I don’t think you can have too much power. Well I guess you could, those 1000hp tuner cars are just nuts.

I think the torque range on the engine is what makes it so impressive. You can literally be in almost any gear and you get effortless power instead of having to drop 2-3 gears to get into the power band.

uofmtiger · 06-11-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BrokenVert

You are arguing two different points. Hes not saying that 300HP is too much power. He is deabating whether 300HP in a car as small as the 1 series is too much. And it very well may be for some people. I like consumer biased reviews, let us not forget that the gearhead reviewers always say that the 1er needs to be a 3er.

An M3 is a much bigger car and therefore can handle more power.

The car is heavier than small cars of the past, though.

For example, the Ferrari Enzo weighs less than the 135i and has a more powerful engine.

BrokenVert · 06-11-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by uofmtiger

The car is heavier than small cars of the past, though.

For example, the Ferrari Enzo weighs less than the 135i and has a more powerful engine.

But it has a much larger wheel base than the 1 and much, MUCH better tires.

Add1ct · 06-11-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BrokenVert

But it has a much larger wheel base than the 1 and much, MUCH better tires.

haha, along with many MUCH better other bits as well

BrokenVert · 06-11-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Add1ct

haha, along with many MUCH better other bits as well

I've sat in 2 Enzos and I hate the interior...way to much CF everywhere. So thats one negative.

Ohh but the seats are godly.

bozola · 06-11-2009, 05:28 PM

It's the best 128 endorsement.... ever!

uofmtiger · 06-11-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BrokenVert

But it has a much larger wheel base than the 1 and much, MUCH better tires.

And it has a much, MUCH more powerful engine (650hp)that requires those features. No one is complaining or saying it has too much power. Believe it or not, I would be glad to trade my car for one...even if it is "too powerful".

Mega Man · 06-11-2009, 07:43 PM

I would be happier if the car was a bit lighter as well. However, I don't know exactly where to shave the weight off, and this has been discussed quite a bit on this forum.

In the end, I'm happy with my car, and that's all that matters.

uofmtiger · 06-11-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mega Man

I would be happier if the car was a bit lighter as well. However, I don't know exactly where to shave the weight off, and this has been discussed quite a bit on this forum.

In the end, I'm happy with my car, and that's all that matters.

I am not complaining about the weight..simply making the point that the 300hp is not "too powerful" given the weight.

I am happy with the car, too.

BrokenVert · 06-11-2009, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by uofmtiger

I am not complaining about the weight..simply making the point that the 300hp is not "too powerful" given the weight.

I am happy with the car, too.

What i'm saying has nothing to do with wieght. It has everything to do with wheelbase, width, and many other dimensions.

But whatever, we are at a stalemate here, so i'll just drop it at that.

JamesYachouh · 06-12-2009, 08:27 AM

Isn't that the water fountain from married with children?

uofmtiger · 06-12-2009, 10:15 AM

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What i'm saying has nothing to do with wieght. It has everything to do with wheelbase, width, and many other dimensions.

Maybe your not saying it, but power has a lot to do with weight. Try pushing a semitruck up a hill with a four cylinder engine.

We need a poll to find out how many 135i owners feel that their car is too powerful. I would bet you would find very few that would say that it is.

aarong_m3 · 06-12-2009, 11:19 AM

We bought the 135i because i have an 1974 Bmw 2002(non tii) and the wife loved the Power and handling. But of course we had to put the JB2/BMS Intake to get more.

///M1 · 06-12-2009, 05:02 PM

I liked the picture of the trunk full of chopped wood logs! Talk about versatility

vase330 · 06-14-2009, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Judge

The part of the review that caught my eye was showing up to the dealer to "proactively replace" the fuel pump. Can a 135i owner who doesn't write glowing reviews for a magazine get a proactive replacement of their first pump?

Ditto! We all know what a PITA it is to get dealer to replace dead pumps let alone proactively replace one. My HPFP failed; car was completely undrivable, had to be towed in. Dealer test apparently showed it passed the test so they initially did not replace it. How absurd! I requested SA go for a test drive not just start the car and say its fine or just start it pull in and out of the bay as they had done. The car barely made it a quater mile outside parking lot when it cut off and stubbornly refused to start again. The towed it in again and replaced it. But not before the field engineer looked at it and gave the greenlight. WTF were they expecting me to do? Drive it a quater mile every few hours and restart it again then repeat?

SlicktopTTZ · 12-09-2009, 11:23 AM

Too much power? Is he serious?

BrokenVert · 12-09-2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by uofmtiger

And it has a much, MUCH more powerful engine (650hp)that requires those features. No one is complaining or saying it has too much power. Believe it or not, I would be glad to trade my car for one...even if it is "too powerful".

I dont know if youve heard, but Ferraris have always had somewhat scary handling. Im friends with several Ferrari owners and they all never like them near the limit.

Pne of them says that he likes the way that his Z06 handles at the limit more than his F430.

miro2296 · 12-09-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ

Too much power? Is he serious?

+1 what a pansy!

CrazyIvan · 12-09-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by uofmtiger

And it has a much, MUCH more powerful engine (650hp)that requires those features. No one is complaining or saying it has too much power. Believe it or not, I would be glad to trade my car for one...even if it is "too powerful".

And a MUCH MUCH higher pricetag

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