Hotchkis Front Anti Roll Bar GB

carlosii · 06-29-2009, 09:05 AM

Humm... I'm thinking about backing out too. The only problem is that I already sent the payment

cpt97m3 · 06-29-2009, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by sysfailur

I'm backing out of this GB pending some sort of resolution on swaybar fitment and/or endlink quality issues that have arisen.

I've used Hotchkis products in the past and they were pretty great. I'm sure they'll get this figured out, but I don't want to worry about parts breaking on my DD at this point.

If you are worried about the end links breaking, you can use the stock ones. They will work fine. The adjustable ones are really only needed if you have coilovers and are corner weight balancing the car. Also, the adjustable ones are tricky to install correctly. I've seen ground-control ones broken several times before if you don't get the alignment just right.

The Hotchkis sway bar is still a great upgrade. If you do use the adjustable end links, just make sure they are adjusted correctly, and have lots of free rotation at static ride height (not jacked up).

zamm3k · 06-29-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by cpt97m3

If you are worried about the end links breaking, you can use the stock ones. They will work fine. The adjustable ones are really only needed if you have coilovers and are corner weight balancing the car. Also, the adjustable ones are tricky to install correctly. I've seen ground-control ones broken several times before if you don't get the alignment just right.

The Hotchkis sway bar is still a great upgrade. If you do use the adjustable end links, just make sure they are adjusted correctly, and have lots of free rotation at static ride height (not jacked up).

problem is. some of us have coilovers. Like me. And even though I'll make sure to install the end links well, I'm still not 100% sure whether its the end links that are bad or the installation was incorrect. (referring to the various threads claiming end link issues)

cpt97m3 · 06-29-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by zamm3k

problem is. some of us have coilovers. Like me. And even though I'll make sure to install the end links well, I'm still not 100% sure whether its the end links that are bad or the installation was incorrect. (referring to the various threads claiming end link issues)

The stock end links will still work fine with coilovers. The adjustable ones are only needed if you have coilovers AND you are setting the perch settings different side to side to affect the corner weight on each tire. Very few people spend the time to corner balance the car, and if you do, you likely will need adjustable end links. So if you you aren't putting your car on scales to set the corner weights, and you are worried about the Hotchkis endlinks, I'd still say use the stock ones then.

That's just my $0.02. I'll probably use the Hotchkis ones myself just to see if they work out OK. But if I was worried, I'd just use the stock ones.

supracg · 06-29-2009, 11:15 AM

The only problem for me is it seems that the fitment may not be right as the bar may be for the 335, i think its my135 that brought it up but he seems to be having fitment issues with the stock and adjustable endlinks (please correct me if im wrong as i would actually love to buy this once i get some closure)

Pamlico · 06-29-2009, 11:40 AM

I've been traveling and only just now am catching up on this. I was planning on sending in payment, but given the ambiguity about fitment and end links I'm going to back out of the GB. Sorry to do it, but I'd rather avoid any hassles.

HP Autosport · 06-29-2009, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cpt97m3

If you are worried about the end links breaking, you can use the stock ones. They will work fine. The adjustable ones are really only needed if you have coilovers and are corner weight balancing the car. Also, the adjustable ones are tricky to install correctly. I've seen ground-control ones broken several times before if you don't get the alignment just right.

The Hotchkis sway bar is still a great upgrade. If you do use the adjustable end links, just make sure they are adjusted correctly, and have lots of free rotation at static ride height (not jacked up).

This is very true. If you don't have the links adjusted properly, any link will break from pre-loading. The links must be adjusted with the vehicle at static height.

HP Autosport · 06-29-2009, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by supracg

The only problem for me is it seems that the fitment may not be right as the bar may be for the 335, i think its my135 that brought it up but he seems to be having fitment issues with the stock and adjustable endlinks (please correct me if im wrong as i would actually love to buy this once i get some closure)

Only very few people are having issues with the end-links, without verifying how they were intalled or installed properly, we can't jump the gun at make the blame on them.

Snertz · 06-29-2009, 02:00 PM

Seeing as people are backing out, is this GB even gonna happen? How many people are still confirmed for this?

My135 · 06-29-2009, 03:10 PM

For those who read my Hotchkis/end link issue thread, I am withholding my comments regarding Hotchkis front sway bar.

I did confirm that there are different part numbers for right/left stock end links. It might be very well my fault installed the stock end links on the wrong side.

I am going to re-do it by swaping the stock end links. So, please stay tuned for this.

Thanks.

My135 · 06-29-2009, 06:04 PM

There is no issue with the end links. After I swap the stock end links back to their original left/right side, everything lined up perfect.

It is a great product, no issues (only human error) and I strongly recomended it.

Thanks and sorry for the confusion.

sysfailur · 06-29-2009, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by My135

There is no issue with the end links. After I swap the stock end links back to their original left/right side, everything lined up perfect.

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Originally Posted by sysfailur

I'm backing out of this GB pending some sort of resolution...

Thanks for clearing this up, MY135. I'm back in for the GB, and Harold already has my payment.

HP Autosport · 06-29-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Snertz

Seeing as people are backing out, is this GB even gonna happen? How many people are still confirmed for this?

10 have confirmed and paid. The deadline to pay is tommrrow, June 30th.

HP Autosport · 06-29-2009, 07:07 PM

This is what the list looks like as of today.

1. derekL - Paid
2. cpt97m3 - paid
3. Frimmelnojerz
4. 135forthewin
5. C4747Z
6. carlosii - Paid shipping to PR
7. Pamlico - Backing out of the GB
8. xXxMLEExXx
9. zamm3k - Paid
10. Upgrade+ - Paid(payment pending)
11. sysfailur - Paid
12.flexxjr
13.Snertz - paid
14.Krugar - Paid
15. Inertiatic - paid
16. Supracg
17. 135i Cabrio - Paid

cpt97m3 · 06-29-2009, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by My135

There is no issue with the end links. After I swap the stock end links back to their original left/right side, everything lined up perfect.

It is a great product, no issues (only human error) and I strongly recomended it.

Thanks and sorry for the confusion.

Thanks for confirming My135. And it's good advice to check the end links carefully when you install.

HP Autosport · 06-29-2009, 10:50 PM

!!!Tomorrow is the last day to pay for this GB!!!

Snertz · 06-29-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by HP Autowerks

10 have confirmed and paid. The deadline to pay is tommrrow, June 30th.

Sweet, glad to hear that

Upgrade+ · 06-30-2009, 01:14 PM

So, do you mean you put the stock endlinks back on? And does this mean that you incorrectly installed the Hotchkis supplied endlinks and caused them to fail?

Quote:

Originally Posted by My135

There is no issue with the end links. After I swap the stock end links back to their original left/right side, everything lined up perfect.

It is a great product, no issues (only human error) and I strongly recomended it.

Thanks and sorry for the confusion.

My135 · 06-30-2009, 01:32 PM

It was all human error. Nothing wrong with the product.

First I replaced the stock links with the adjustable end links but did not re-adjust the length while the car is on the ground with the wheels on. This error caused the ruber seals broke, grease came out and eventually making noise after 2 ways of hard driving.

Second time I replaced the adjustable end links with the stock links and did not know that they are left/right directional since they almost looks the same to a human eye.

Finally, some one point out different part numbers for left/right end links which trigered me to investigate and swap the end links back to their targeted left/right side; and everything line up perfect.

It is all my fault and did not look careful on the stock end links to see if they are position (up/down) or directional (left/right) sensitive.

Fl0rent · 06-30-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by HP Autowerks

!!!Tomorrow is the last day to pay for this GB!!!

One for me !!!!

I can't order on the website because, the shipping is only for US.

How can I do ?

zamm3k · 07-01-2009, 09:08 AM

any updates? no shipments yet?

HP Autosport · 07-02-2009, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by frimmelnojerz

read the top and you'll understand why the stock option is the best compliment.

I will update everyone here in the morning. The last payment cleared today and made the GB valid.

Harold

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My135 Lieutenant Colonel 85 Rep 1,609 Posts Drives: Join Date: Mar 2008 iTrader: (0)	For those who read my Hotchkis/end link issue thread, I am withholding my comments regarding Hotchkis front sway bar. I did confirm that there are different part numbers for right/left stock end links. It might be very well my fault installed the stock end links on the wrong side. I am going to re-do it by swaping the stock end links. So, please stay tuned for this. Thanks. __________________ 7/08 135 Coupe, Crimson Red, 6 SP, Sport, Taupe Lette/Aluminum. Performance Mods: JB4 on Map 5, BMS DP Fix V3, Injen polished intake, AR Catless DP, Maddad resonated mid-pipes, aFe exhaust polished tips, ST Suspension Coil Over and Hotchkis front sway bar. Others: BMS OCC, BT Scanner, Mud Flap. Next Mods: AA Front Strut Brace.
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My135 Lieutenant Colonel 85 Rep 1,609 Posts Drives: Join Date: Mar 2008 iTrader: (0)	There is no issue with the end links. After I swap the stock end links back to their original left/right side, everything lined up perfect. It is a great product, no issues (only human error) and I strongly recomended it. Thanks and sorry for the confusion. __________________ 7/08 135 Coupe, Crimson Red, 6 SP, Sport, Taupe Lette/Aluminum. Performance Mods: JB4 on Map 5, BMS DP Fix V3, Injen polished intake, AR Catless DP, Maddad resonated mid-pipes, aFe exhaust polished tips, ST Suspension Coil Over and Hotchkis front sway bar. Others: BMS OCC, BT Scanner, Mud Flap. Next Mods: AA Front Strut Brace.
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06-30-2009, 01:32 PM	#129
My135 Lieutenant Colonel 85 Rep 1,609 Posts Drives: Join Date: Mar 2008 iTrader: (0)	It was all human error. Nothing wrong with the product. First I replaced the stock links with the adjustable end links but did not re-adjust the length while the car is on the ground with the wheels on. This error caused the ruber seals broke, grease came out and eventually making noise after 2 ways of hard driving. Second time I replaced the adjustable end links with the stock links and did not know that they are left/right directional since they almost looks the same to a human eye. Finally, some one point out different part numbers for left/right end links which trigered me to investigate and swap the end links back to their targeted left/right side; and everything line up perfect. It is all my fault and did not look careful on the stock end links to see if they are position (up/down) or directional (left/right) sensitive. __________________ 7/08 135 Coupe, Crimson Red, 6 SP, Sport, Taupe Lette/Aluminum. Performance Mods: JB4 on Map 5, BMS DP Fix V3, Injen polished intake, AR Catless DP, Maddad resonated mid-pipes, aFe exhaust polished tips, ST Suspension Coil Over and Hotchkis front sway bar. Others: BMS OCC, BT Scanner, Mud Flap. Next Mods: AA Front Strut Brace.
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