The Definitive BMW M1 naming poll

[dmboone25]

Yes, call it the ///M1. That is what it will be, so why not name it appropriately?

[Hans Delbruck]

Originally Posted by Nikkahtropolis

I know what you're trying to say.^

I'm sure the people who voted yes are 1 series owners.

You guys are so insecure. LMAO. You feel personally threatened that BMW has decided to give ///M division treatment to the 1 series. To you, this really isn't an argument about the original M1, or BMW tradition, or the logical nomenclature, it's about your ego, which is firmly attached to your car. How old are you? Why does the prospect of an ///M1 make you so irritated, really? Because your argument is about you. Not BMW's history. You have no stake in BMW's history. But with your manhood wrapped up in what you drive, you feel threatened by what you perceive to be a lesser model getting an ///M badge. Weak.

If this is an M-car, and BMW hobbles it with a non-M name, that would make no sense at all, and will only serve to perpetuate the image that some of you guys want this car to have.... "lesser than" so you can feel "more than"

Yes I'm a 1 series owner. And a current Porsche, MB, Lotus & Honda owner. Plus a non street-legal open-cockpit sports racer. (They're all paid for in cash, and they don't belong to my parents or siblings. I know that will resonate with kids like you) I don't consider a car's image, it's not relevant to my happiness. I just drive what I like. And I'd like an ///M1.

[AlBel1214]

Originally Posted by 3XTR3M3

Not really, the M1 was the first M car, the supercar. M1, make sense? Years later they decide to make a 1-series, it does well, they decide to make an M version and rob the M1 of its title and give it to the 1-series? Not cool.

Ok.. so you're saying they called it M1 b/c it was the first M car (first being the reason for the "1")... if that is the case then it does make sense ... I agree...

But saying that then what the heck does the "3" mean in M3 or "5" in M5...those weren't the 3rd and 5th M cars???...

Also they should of never gone forward with the naming style M"number" is what I am saying if they wanted to keep the original M1 up in all its glory... I know they want cars named for the M division and all but stick all the M"number" cars in a row just based on name right now.. I think there is one that definitely is NOT supposed to be in that group...

If M"number"(aka M1) name was meant for the supercar then BMW should of kept it that way... If they redesigned the original M1 as a newer model supercar then maybe that shoulda been the M3... and again with the m5.. and m6...

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by 3XTR3M3

Couple Facts:

1) This thread is biased as shit.

2) A great number of 1-series owners are 1st time BMW owners due to the price point. And a lot of them are young enough to where they dont give a shit, just vote cus M1 sounds cool!

3) Considering #2, a good portion of 1-Series drivers are noobs to BMW, M, it's tradition and history. Hence some of the absolutely brain dead logic and reasoning here.

4) THIS THREAD DOES NOT BELONG IN THE 1-SERIES FORUM. You want to know if its good to throw the M1 badge on the 1 series??? Ask the M forums, ask new and old M drivers. The guys that buy M cars. Not a 1-series forum where entry level BMW buyers are TRYING to reason and vote about the absolute BEST thing about BMW... The ///M Cars.


lol big joke. I really dont think its going to happen.

BTW, this is coming from someone who has already decided to purchase the 1-series M variation when it comes out.

For the record, many 1 series owners are NOT first timers to BMW. This is my 3rd....I had 2 3ers prior to my 135. I got a 135 because it was smaller and felt better to drive. So that is a bit of a generalization...

Second of all, I grew up with BMWs--my dad has owned 3, including an ///M. So again, the generalization does not exactly hold water, as myself and others on this board are not exactly "NOOBs" as you say.

And what "tradition" can those past ///M owners hold onto? Like always having a NA engine? Gone. Never an ///M SUV? Gone. Light and tossable? Gone. No ///M in the Z class? Correct....I think a lot of that "tradition" is a way to devalue progress and better cars....so those past ///M owners LOVE their cars, and want those same qualities reflected in following models--that is great for them. Has nothing to do with a new car that isn't even out yet. And even less to do with the naming of that car.

By the way, I have been going to McDonald's for years. Traditional Big Mac eater. Have one every day of the week. I love the sandwich. It makes my day to eat one. I am SOOOOOOOO pissed over this new Mac Snack Wrap!!! How dare they!?!? I am a supporter of the company!!! Have been for years!!! Why oh why would they commit heresy by using this name in a way that I don't like?????? Why didn't they ask me for permission first?!?!? Ridiculous, right? Well, my analogy is not far off from this argument of somehow disparaging the original M1 supercar or ///M owners of old by using ///M1 again.....

Yes, I have been aware of the M1 supercar, longer than when I bought my first BMW. No, I don't think a name that has been dead for 30 years should be kept locked away forever. It is a 1 series car, made by the ///M divison. Why wouldn't it be called an ///M1?

[Spartikus]

"Extreme" created a poll at M3post:



http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...72#post6519572

[Haides]

i have nothing against if they call it m1,but there must be a some signs that its not m1 supercar..for example use logo or just m letter to make difference,or call it 1m,and if somebody asking why is that so ,he will easily find out and learn more about bmw history..or add some letter to m1 or word like m1 coupe,sedan,gt....as m1c,M1ER

[Monterra]

Steps into kevlar... was the M1 really that significant or influential for the future of the brand?
I think if the answer were yes they wouldn't reuse it, ala the 2002, and they may not. But I think the car should and will be called M1 or M1 coupe (as a compromise.) I say that as a car enthusiast, long time BMW fan- I learned to drive on my brother's 1978 320i, a prospective buyer and more coincidentally a 1 owner. He's owned 4 BMWs starting with that one and ending with the E36 M3, I'll get his opinion and report back (I'm curious as he's old enough to remember when the M1 came out- I was just out of diapers). He's not a huge 1er fan either- thinks they're too heavy.

[PrimoM3]

Originally Posted by 3XTR3M3

Couple Facts:
4) THIS THREAD DOES NOT BELONG IN THE 1-SERIES FORUM. You want to know if its good to throw the M1 badge on the 1 series??? Ask the M forums, ask new and old M drivers. The guys that buy M cars. Not a 1-series forum where entry level BMW buyers are TRYING to reason and vote about the absolute BEST thing about BMW... The ///M Cars.

Facts huh? Don't make blanket generalizations please. Also, the thread isn't "Is it a good idea to throw an ///M badge on a 1 series?" We're talking about an ///M car in the 1 series line and what it should be called. Got it?

[3XTR3M3]

Originally Posted by Hans Delbruck

You guys are so insecure. LMAO. You feel personally threatened that BMW has decided to give ///M division treatment to the 1 series. To you, this really isn't an argument about the original M1, or BMW tradition, or the logical nomenclature, it's about your ego, which is firmly attached to your car. How old are you? Why does the prospect of an ///M1 make you so irritated, really? Because your argument is about you. Not BMW's history. You have no stake in BMW's history. But with your manhood wrapped up in what you drive, you feel threatened by what you perceive to be a lesser model getting an ///M badge. Weak.

If this is an M-car, and BMW hobbles it with a non-M name, that would make no sense at all, and will only serve to perpetuate the image that some of you guys want this car to have.... "lesser than" so you can feel "more than"

Yes I'm a 1 series owner. And a current Porsche, MB, Lotus & Honda owner. Plus a non street-legal open-cockpit sports racer. (They're all paid for in cash, and they don't belong to my parents or siblings. I know that will resonate with kids like you) I don't consider a car's image, it's not relevant to my happiness. I just drive what I like. And I'd like an ///M1.

Obviously reading isnt your strongest point.

I said from the get go that I am all for a 1 series M. I will be first in line to buy one.

Insecure?? How? Cus we give a shit that a supercars name dosnt belong on a 1series???

Get over yourself.

[Finnegan]

I'm not that concerned with what it's named. I'm more concerned with what it is and more importantly what it is not. Names, like talk, are less important than action.

Not a tank in terms of size and weight....

Real LSD; MT option; sufficient cooling capabilities to run hard under hot conditions with no limp or cut in boost; excellent steering feel/feedback; Mdrive; reliable HPFP; excellent/dynamic throttle control and lag free; decent (7K+) redline and pull right to redline (similar to existing M engine dynamics but with more low-end torque). Oh, and a reasonably low entry point in $.

Hit on most of those things and no weight bloat and I don't care what they call the thing.

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by AlBel1214

Ok.. so you're saying they called it M1 b/c it was the first M car (first being the reason for the "1")... if that is the case then it does make sense ... I agree...

But saying that then what the heck does the "3" mean in M3 or "5" in M5...those weren't the 3rd and 5th M cars???...

That is the case for the original M1 as it was the first "M" car, but it is the only car to follow this naming convention. The other M cars obviously followed their series designation, however, the first M6 was actually called the M635CSi.

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by 3XTR3M3

Get over yourself.

I'd suggest you apply that to yourself.

[Small Yellow]

I am sure I will see regular 128 and 135 slap on the M badge and then add a 1 after it around my neighbor hood now. After all.. there is a highly modded 5 series in my neighborhood rocking the M3 badge.. Yes.. M3.. i dont get why either.

In some way I am highly against naming the M version of the 1 series M1 because of the history behind the original M1. But I do see how it would vastly help BMW with their sales if they call it accordingly because of the simplicity of it. ie M1, M3, M5, M6. Now not to sound offensive but I can see why the 1Addicts guys who own 1 series BMW would love to see M1 because probably its a psychological sense/feel like part of your 1 series's DNA is a part of the M version of the 1 series. I know many 3 series own feel that way with the M3. But I highly support them naming it M1XX or something of that sort.

[M2]

Originally Posted by HuangYiChao

I am sure I will see regular 128 and 135 slap on the M badge and then add a 1 after it around my neighbor hood now. After all.. there is a highly modded 5 series in my neighborhood rocking the M3 badge.. Yes.. M3.. i dont get why either.

In some way I am highly against naming the M version of the 1 series M1 because of the history behind the original M1. But I do see how it would vastly help BMW with their sales if they call it accordingly because of the simplicity of it. ie M1, M3, M5, M6. Now not to sound offensive but I can see why the 1Addicts guys who own 1 series BMW would love to see M1 because probably its a psychological sense/feel like part of your 1 series's DNA is a part of the M version of the 1 series. I know many 3 series own feel that way with the M3. But I highly support them naming it M1XX or something of that sort.

I actually like my current DNA (less the suspension); the current 135i is no slouch. I have a 135i with DINAN S2; that's good enough for me. I don't need to feel like I belong to a M car division, since the ///M1 will have completely different parts designed from the M Division that my car doesn't have. Don't get me wrong, I am eventually installing my M3 suspension parts on my 135 so it handles better, not because they are M parts, but because they are just better made parts that will improve the quality of the handling and ride. It's not about image, it's about driving! If you've seen the stock suspension parts I'm talking about, you would too. They are cheap and take away from how the 135 should handle. BMW dumbed down the suspension on the 135 so they could (1) save money, (2) attract a broader market group, not to mention how it would have offended their M3 market had they come out with a smaller, tighter handling, faster 1 series. (not to offend) just my opinion...

[AlBel1214]

Originally Posted by HuangYiChao

I am sure I will see regular 128 and 135 slap on the M badge and then add a 1 after it around my neighbor hood now. After all.. there is a highly modded 5 series in my neighborhood rocking the M3 badge.. Yes.. M3.. i dont get why either.

In some way I am highly against naming the M version of the 1 series M1 because of the history behind the original M1. But I do see how it would vastly help BMW with their sales if they call it accordingly because of the simplicity of it. ie M1, M3, M5, M6. Now not to sound offensive but I can see why the 1Addicts guys who own 1 series BMW would love to see M1 because probably its a psychological sense/feel like part of your 1 series's DNA is a part of the M version of the 1 series. I know many 3 series own feel that way with the M3. But I highly support them naming it M1XX or something of that sort.

Wow seriously???... Fine if your opinion is that then my opinion is psychologically the 335 and M3 guys are deep down knowing that soon not only will the 135i beat the 335 but now an M1 will beat an M3.... stock for stock...

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by AlBel1214

Wow seriously???... Fine if your opinion is that then my opinion is psychologically the 335 and M3 guys are deep down knowing that soon not only will the 135i beat the 335 but now an M1 will beat an M3.... stock for stock...

I mean common what are we going to see next? A C6 Corvette with an ///M1 badge?

[AlBel1214]

^^^ Ha... come on man that was obviously my first mod..

[Small Yellow]

Originally Posted by M2

I actually like my current DNA (less the suspension); the current 135i is no slouch. I have a 135i with DINAN S2; that's good enough for me. I don't need to feel like I belong to a M car division, since the ///M1 will have completely different parts designed from the M Division that my car doesn't have. Don't get me wrong, I am eventually installing my M3 suspension parts on my 135 so it handles better, not because they are M parts, but because they are just better made parts that will improve the quality of the handling and ride. It's not about image, it's about driving! If you've seen the stock suspension parts I'm talking about, you would too. They are cheap and take away from how the 135 should handle. BMW dumbed down the suspension on the 135 so they could (1) save money, (2) attract a broader market group, not to mention how it would have offended their M3 market had they come out with a smaller, tighter handling, faster 1 series. (not to offend) just my opinion...

Well yes, I know majority of the higher intellectuals on these boards buy for performance not for the "hey look at me! I am in a M and thats better than you!" For me, I wouldnt of minded if the 1 series M was better than the M3. I would of bought the 1 series M if it was than the M3 I currently have. I hope you know what I mean. Its the majority of those "show off" type of people that make an embarrassment out of this.

Originally Posted by AlBel1214

Wow seriously???... Fine if your opinion is that then my opinion is psychologically the 335 and M3 guys are deep down knowing that soon not only will the 135i beat the 335 but now an M1 will beat an M3.... stock for stock...

I personally would not be surprised if the 1 series and the M version will be better than the M3. As I said above I would love to see the progression on the 1 series and the M version. It is just many people buy these M car without knowing what their capabilities are. They are making the 1 series M for the younger generations. Most of them buy them just to show off to their friends anyways. Most of us here, enthusiasts, know the difference but those who dont are what gives the bad name. This is why we see non-M cars with M badges or like a camary with GTR badge etc.

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by AlBel1214

^^^ Ha... come on man that was obviously my first mod..

I hear that it adds even more WHP than a trunk monkey.

[AlBel1214]

Originally Posted by HuangYiChao

Well yes, I know majority of the higher intellectuals on these boards buy for performance not for the "hey look at me! I am in a M and thats better than you!" For me, I wouldnt of minded if the 1 series M was better than the M3. I would of bought the 1 series M if it was than the M3 I currently have. I hope you know what I mean. Its the majority of those "show off" type of people that make an embarrassment out of this.



I personally would not be surprised if the 1 series and the M version will be better than the M3. As I said above I would love to see the progression on the 1 series and the M version. It is just many people buy these M car without knowing what their capabilities are. They are making the 1 series M for the younger generations. Most of them buy them just to show off to their friends anyways. Most of us here, enthusiasts, know the difference but those who dont are what gives the bad name. This is why we see non-M cars with M badges or like a camary with GTR badge etc.

+1 on this post... I think we all need to all come together and go after the people who buy these cars for the letter "M" or the roundel not having a clue of what either of them stand for...

[Small Yellow]

Originally Posted by AlBel1214

+1 on this post... I think we all need to all come together and go after the people who buy these cars for the letter "M" or the roundel not having a clue of what either of them stand for...

Seriously only about 10-15% of the buyers, maybe more buy it and drive it spiritually. Most of them just buy it to say "I am better than you." Most of them could just buy say a 128 or 328 because majority of the population cant tell the difference. But no, they buy a more expensive one so if they ever park next to a non-M they get to point and laugh at the other.

Sorry, but there are a lot of ricers rocking weird ass badges where I live. Did I mention I got smoked by a Ferrari/Lamborgini tuned corolla on my Sunday drive? He had the biggest grin on his face

[sparoz]

Originally Posted by 3XTR3M3

QUESTION:

How many of you would find it OK if 10 years from now, Ferrari released a cheaper, lower end model like the Ferrari California or below it and decided to call it the Ferrari Enzo?

One might argue that 10 years is too short. Than whats acceptable? 20 years? 50 years? If 50 years later the lowest end Ferrari was called the Enzo, would you car enthusiasts find it acceptable and see no problem with it???

Come on

You cant take the 1st M cars, the BMW supercars name and slap it on a 1-series. I dont understand how this is remotely ok with car enthusiasts.

Enzo is not just a car - it's an honorary to Enzo Ferrairi. It would be very different to M1. I think it's all okay now that they've done a hommage to the original M1. I always put marketing on top of heritage and tradition - as there won't be any heritage and tradition if there's no business. Besides, for the people who think BMW should stick with their history and tradition then BMW should go back to building planes rather than cars.

Originally Posted by Haides

i have nothing against if they call it m1,but there must be a some signs that its not m1 supercar..for example use logo or just m letter to make difference,or call it 1m,and if somebody asking why is that so ,he will easily find out and learn more about bmw history..or add some letter to m1 or word like m1 coupe,sedan,gt....as m1c,M1ER

I can tell you it won't have the dual badge on either side like the M1. Besides, I actually think the single letter ///M for the supercar that someone has mentioned would be more worthy - or ///M8, which would fit the current convention.