135 oil cooler suggestion

Mr Aryan · 10-10-2009, 06:43 PM

Planning for it, what do you suggest and wants the price of it?

CoolToolGuy · 10-11-2009, 09:21 AM

dinan. Not the cheapest ($1350), but it comes complete with ductwork and a warranty.

Have Fun,
Rick

Jettafanatic · 10-15-2009, 12:26 PM

http://www.vkmotorwerks.com/oilcoolerupgardekit.html
The V K Motorwerks oil cooler ( The upgrade kit mounts to your OEM mounting locations ).
For sale for a limited time only $695 according to their site.

untouchableE82 · 10-15-2009, 12:39 PM

anyone running dual oil coolers? hks was suppose to come out with something but no response from them yet

Jettafanatic · 10-15-2009, 07:10 PM

The guys at Evolotion Racewerks do :
http://www.evolutionracewerks.com/ga..._N54_FMIC6.jpg

jibaholic101 · 10-15-2009, 07:42 PM

what exactly is the purpose of an oil cooler?

BerkTechnology · 10-15-2009, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jibaholic101

what exactly is the purpose of an oil cooler?

To cool the oil! I kid I kid....

The 135/335/535 run EXTREMELY hot from the factory. Even a 100% stock car will see dangerous oil temps during hard track driving. For those of you who just daily drive these cars the OEM oil cooler is adequate.

jibaholic101 · 10-15-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BerkTechnology

To cool the oil! I kid I kid....

The 135/335/535 run EXTREMELY hot from the factory. Even a 100% stock car will see dangerous oil temps during hard track driving. For those of you who just daily drive these cars the OEM oil cooler is adequate.

hmm....i havent seen my oil get hotter than it normally runs on brutal track days and auto x. hmm, maybe something to invest in if i start doing this all the time..

Mr Aryan · 10-15-2009, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jettafanatic

http://www.vkmotorwerks.com/oilcoolerupgardekit.html
The V K Motorwerks oil cooler ( The upgrade kit mounts to your OEM mounting locations ).
For sale for a limited time only $695 according to their site.

isn't that for 335 only?

brracing · 10-16-2009, 12:05 AM

I can attest...before we did engine upgrades, we had no problem w just the OEM oil cooler solution. But, add some power...and oops....limp mode can be found. We had it appear again, and we tracked the oil temperature, and as soon as it crossed the 275 F degree thresshold, we could feel the DME start to alter the characteristics of the motor, and by 300F, limp mode could be induced.
Add cooling (a lot if you are going to do track duty and w added power), and you are fine. But, see the new BMW performance cooling upgrade..BMW has found that the water temps are an issue as well.

jibaholic101 · 10-16-2009, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by brracing

I can attest...before we did engine upgrades, we had no problem w just the OEM oil cooler solution. But, add some power...and oops....limp mode can be found. We had it appear again, and we tracked the oil temperature, and as soon as it crossed the 275 F degree thresshold, we could feel the DME start to alter the characteristics of the motor, and by 300F, limp mode could be induced.
Add cooling (a lot if you are going to do track duty and w added power), and you are fine. But, see the new BMW performance cooling upgrade..BMW has found that the water temps are an issue as well.

yeah, how much power were you at before you started noticing these problems?

untouchableE82 · 10-16-2009, 12:59 AM

does anyone know who makes there oil cooler? or where could i get the one that evolutionraceworks is using

Jettafanatic · 10-18-2009, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by untouchableE82

does anyone know who makes there oil cooler? or where could i get the one that evolutionraceworks is using

Nope, but I am sure if you ask them, they will tell you...

Also , the 335 Version shuold fit our cars as well. Call VK to verify

"i havent seen my oil get hotter than it normally runs on brutal track days and auto X"
When you got (like some of us in So-cal) in 110 F weather in the Desert (I.e. Willow Springs / Buttonwillow ) the oil temp will rise pretty quick esp. if you go all out ( and I mean ALL-out) 20 mins in a row....

"yeah, how much power were you at before you started noticing these problems"

From talking to one Tuner, even at not much over stock, in our weather, oil temps were rising quick...

Which is why I am looking at a dual set-up.

You could do it yourself with a nice pair of Setrabs....

Jayock · 10-19-2009, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brracing

BMW has found that the water temps are an issue as well.

True... A couple of people are working on bigger radiators too.

However, lowering oil temp will also lower engine temp, which will also lower water temp. The reverse would work as too. The only question is "will it lower it enough just changing out one?"

If the car is getting just a little too hot on both, one could definitely suffice.

Mr Aryan · 10-19-2009, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jettafanatic

Also , the 335 Version shuold fit our cars as well. Call VK to verify

i checked with them, it doesn't fit the 135.

Mr Aryan · 10-20-2009, 07:30 AM

btw, does the 135 comes with standered oil cooler!?!?!
today i thought of looking through the bumper and found out a hole, and a cooler!

stevenc · 10-20-2009, 08:22 AM

All 135's have oil cooler standard.

pkcormier · 10-20-2009, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brracing

I can attest...before we did engine upgrades, we had no problem w just the OEM oil cooler solution. But, add some power...and oops....limp mode can be found. We had it appear again, and we tracked the oil temperature, and as soon as it crossed the 275 F degree thresshold, we could feel the DME start to alter the characteristics of the motor, and by 300F, limp mode could be induced.
Add cooling (a lot if you are going to do track duty and w added power), and you are fine. But, see the new BMW performance cooling upgrade..BMW has found that the water temps are an issue as well.

On a hard track day in the texas heat, my oil temps will get to about 280. How concerned should I be running at those temps for extended periods - say 15 minutes? My assumption is the computer is designed to reduce risk by inducing limp mode.

Mr Aryan · 10-20-2009, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pkcormier

On a hard track day in the texas heat, my oil temps will get to about 280. How concerned should I be running at those temps for extended periods - say 15 minutes? My assumption is the computer is designed to reduce risk by inducing limp mode.

mine gets that high in 10-15mins of hard daily driving...

affraid to track it...

brracing · 10-20-2009, 10:16 AM

The question before was how much power did you have before you started to see the implications of moving to "limp" mode, or actually inducing it.
We are in CA, and have only seen the issues when tracking. But, I would be an idiot to drive anywhere on the street what we do on the track. We don't "mossy along" when on the track, we are pedal to the metal 100% of the time, so we are creating the worst scenarios', but at the same time, we are seeing speeds north of 140mph on the straights, so we are getting the greatest amount of convection cooling as is possible...and are still seeing the issue.
For those who have looked at their oil coolers, you can also see that flow thru the cooler has not been optimized...the cooler is there, it is shrouded to force the flow thru the cooler, and there is a vent, but the air has to do a lot of unnatural acts to get the cooling, and as a result, the full surface area is not being utilized effectively of the oil cooler.
Next...when we did increase the power, the more power upgrades you add, the more power you have, hence, simple rule of thermodynamics, the more heat you have to dissapate...meaning you're going to induce the scenarios when the high heat will cause a problem.
When we last drove at Thunderhill (a month ago now), the ambient temp was 100 degrees during the day. As soon as we saw 275 degrees on the oil temp, we could feel the engine electronics start to intervene and adjust timing to reduce power, and if we pushed beyond 300 degrees, limp mode could be induced.
Hope that helps....you need oil cooling and additional water cooling...lots of cooling.

pkcormier · 10-20-2009, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brracing

The question before was how much power did you have before you started to see the implications of moving to "limp" mode, or actually inducing it.
We are in CA, and have only seen the issues when tracking. But, I would be an idiot to drive anywhere on the street what we do on the track. We don't "mossy along" when on the track, we are pedal to the metal 100% of the time, so we are creating the worst scenarios', but at the same time, we are seeing speeds north of 140mph on the straights, so we are getting the greatest amount of convection cooling as is possible...and are still seeing the issue.
For those who have looked at their oil coolers, you can also see that flow thru the cooler has not been optimized...the cooler is there, it is shrouded to force the flow thru the cooler, and there is a vent, but the air has to do a lot of unnatural acts to get the cooling, and as a result, the full surface area is not being utilized effectively of the oil cooler.
Next...when we did increase the power, the more power upgrades you add, the more power you have, hence, simple rule of thermodynamics, the more heat you have to dissapate...meaning you're going to induce the scenarios when the high heat will cause a problem.
When we last drove at Thunderhill (a month ago now), the ambient temp was 100 degrees during the day. As soon as we saw 275 degrees on the oil temp, we could feel the engine electronics start to intervene and adjust timing to reduce power, and if we pushed beyond 300 degrees, limp mode could be induced.
Hope that helps....you need oil cooling and additional water cooling...lots of cooling.

Would I be within the tolerances of the engine if I hovered around 280 oil temp, and driving like I stole it on the track? And using the recommended BMW synthetic oil.

brracing · 10-20-2009, 10:26 PM

Cant' say for sure...we only know what we have seen.
We will be installing another data acq system for the next track session so that we can corelate the various data points...but, at the same time, we hope to not have the the hot temps, so we may not get to the threshold.
The good news is that if you get close to the threshold, the car will start to lose power, and you can just cool it for a little bit, and the car will come right back. It's only if you go over the cliff (greater than 300F) that you need to spell relief for the car for it to come back.

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brracing 23 Rep 194 Posts Drives: E46 M3, 135i, Mini Cooper S - Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bay Area, CA iTrader: (1)	I can attest...before we did engine upgrades, we had no problem w just the OEM oil cooler solution. But, add some power...and oops....limp mode can be found. We had it appear again, and we tracked the oil temperature, and as soon as it crossed the 275 F degree thresshold, we could feel the DME start to alter the characteristics of the motor, and by 300F, limp mode could be induced. Add cooling (a lot if you are going to do track duty and w added power), and you are fine. But, see the new BMW performance cooling upgrade..BMW has found that the water temps are an issue as well.
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Mr Aryan Private 28 Rep 76 Posts Drives: 2012 BMW 1M Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bahrain iTrader: (1)	btw, does the 135 comes with standered oil cooler!?!?! today i thought of looking through the bumper and found out a hole, and a cooler! Attached Images __________________ SOLD 1M: AW \| Perf seats \| Perf steering \| Gruppe M intake system \| Full Akrapovic exhaust system with DP's \| AMS FMIC \| KW V3 coilovers. SOLD 135i 6MT: AW \| BMW perf ext/int package \| BMS dual cones \| JB4 \| AR CL DPs \| AMS FMIC \| Snow Perf stg III meth kit \| Quiafe LSD \| KW coilovers. 135 1/4 mile ET: 1.68 60'ft, 11.901 @ 115.69
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brracing 23 Rep 194 Posts Drives: E46 M3, 135i, Mini Cooper S - Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bay Area, CA iTrader: (1)	The question before was how much power did you have before you started to see the implications of moving to "limp" mode, or actually inducing it. We are in CA, and have only seen the issues when tracking. But, I would be an idiot to drive anywhere on the street what we do on the track. We don't "mossy along" when on the track, we are pedal to the metal 100% of the time, so we are creating the worst scenarios', but at the same time, we are seeing speeds north of 140mph on the straights, so we are getting the greatest amount of convection cooling as is possible...and are still seeing the issue. For those who have looked at their oil coolers, you can also see that flow thru the cooler has not been optimized...the cooler is there, it is shrouded to force the flow thru the cooler, and there is a vent, but the air has to do a lot of unnatural acts to get the cooling, and as a result, the full surface area is not being utilized effectively of the oil cooler. Next...when we did increase the power, the more power upgrades you add, the more power you have, hence, simple rule of thermodynamics, the more heat you have to dissapate...meaning you're going to induce the scenarios when the high heat will cause a problem. When we last drove at Thunderhill (a month ago now), the ambient temp was 100 degrees during the day. As soon as we saw 275 degrees on the oil temp, we could feel the engine electronics start to intervene and adjust timing to reduce power, and if we pushed beyond 300 degrees, limp mode could be induced. Hope that helps....you need oil cooling and additional water cooling...lots of cooling.
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brracing 23 Rep 194 Posts Drives: E46 M3, 135i, Mini Cooper S - Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bay Area, CA iTrader: (1)	Cant' say for sure...we only know what we have seen. We will be installing another data acq system for the next track session so that we can corelate the various data points...but, at the same time, we hope to not have the the hot temps, so we may not get to the threshold. The good news is that if you get close to the threshold, the car will start to lose power, and you can just cool it for a little bit, and the car will come right back. It's only if you go over the cliff (greater than 300F) that you need to spell relief for the car for it to come back.
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