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      11-07-2013, 06:38 PM   #23
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I don't see the 135is commanding a big premium over a 135i M-sport in the future. If the car is sought after, people will be looking to mod it anyway so the factory mods on the 135is will be irrelevant.
mods don't hold value....originality holds value. special editions like the 135is will definitely hold value as they came modded from BMW. I'm not just saying that because I drive one....but you will see that pattern in most cars that the OEM upgraded models always maintain a premium.
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This is just another mass produced BMW. Only classic is the 1M.
Mass produced, but at a much lower volume than the 3 or 5. The total number produced in 6 yrs is approx 60K units (for both the 128 and 135), so it will never have the mass availability of the E46 or E9x series.

60K total units over 6 years is similar in number to the E46 M3 built (43K). I think the 1 may end up as more desirable than some of the other higher volume cars (3, 5) and the 1M will always remain the most coveted, even above M3 cars (except maybe the CSL versions).

They will have value to some folks just based on the fact they were the last cars with hydraulic steering and an available NA I6.

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I don't see the 135is commanding a big premium over a 135i M-sport in the future. If the car is sought after, people will be looking to mod it anyway so the factory mods on the 135is will be irrelevant.
While I agree to a point, I think there are many BMW purists out there that are not interested in mods.
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mods don't hold value....originality holds value. special editions like the 135is will definitely hold value as they came modded from BMW. I'm not just saying that because I drive one....but you will see that pattern in most cars that the OEM upgraded models always maintain a premium.
I don't mean to rag on the is, I like the car, but it's only marginally different from the 135i. How much extra are 313 wheels worth to a buyer? Because that's the only significant difference when you can tune either car over 400hp with ease.

Sure, a remarkably clean 135is will sell well down the road, but the same can be said for any car with a following, including a regular 135i.
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Oh for crying out loud. Drive yer damn cars and enjoy them. Unless you have a 1M, don't worry about it. I don't think the 1-er will be on Chasing Classic Cars any time soon.
Amen. The 1M is the one to have, everything else is pretty much just a 1-series. This thread is a bit goofy.

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I don't see the 135is commanding a big premium over a 135i M-sport in the future. If the car is sought after, people will be looking to mod it anyway so the factory mods on the 135is will be irrelevant.
I agree that the 135is won't be much more than a footnote in the history of the 1-series. I certainly didn't get the IS package for any other reason than wanting the factory options offered by the package. From a collectibility or desirability standpoint, limited production numbers and factory options aren't irrelevant, they certainly do contribute to higher valuation and potential selling price. Buyers looking for a classic automobile in excellent, original condition aren't usually the same buyers looking for a track day car to mod.
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LOTS Of e30's made and look how popular they are, there's few/no deals to be had there

I'm not really interested in a 1M as it was too limited in production
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Here we go again. I think the purists may want the 128i. Other than that it's 1M or bust. The 2 really doesn't look that much different than the 1. Other than than the hydraulic steering and NA engine(128i) they are very similar. If there was no 2 then I think the 1 would have a better chance at being a classic.


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This is just another mass produced BMW. Only classic is the 1M.
+1, let's keep it real. 1M is certainly the classic our chassi will be known for.
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I don't mean to rag on the is, I like the car, but it's only marginally different from the 135i. How much extra are 313 wheels worth to a buyer? Because that's the only significant difference when you can tune either car over 400hp with ease.

Sure, a remarkably clean 135is will sell well down the road, but the same can be said for any car with a following, including a regular 135i.
'tuning' or aftermarket modifications don't matter when it comes to collectability. the 135is isn't very different to the 135i M-Sport, BUT when you add things like the PPK2 package, 313 wheels, special stitched leather seats, black mirrors, etc.....it all sort of adds up in the minds of people looking for something a bit 'unique'...OR something more cohesive off the showroom floor.

the reality is that 20 years from now.....people won't be looking for homebrewed 'tuner' cars....unless they have some crazy engine swap...they will be looking for simple original cars.

don't get me wrong...i don't think the 135i will be worth $10k and a 135is will be worth $50k.....but i'm sure there will be SOME small-ish premium paid for a better OEM example....
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It all really depends on what your definition of "classic" is. Someone mentioned the 2002, but what about the E30 as a more recent example? Sure, the E30 M3 is the definitive example, but I would argue that the platform in general has a pretty avid following, and my guess is that the 1er was produced in significantly fewer numbers. And the car already has sort of a cult following IMO, and it only just went out of production. I'm not saying our cars are going to be worth a whole lot down the line, but I think E82's will be remembered and recognized as characterful driver's cars, for whatever that is worth.
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I agree, I think people in this thread are confusing classic with collectable. The 1 series is a classic, but not a collectable (except the 1M).
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I agree, I think people in this thread are confusing classic with collectable. The 1 series is a classic, but not a collectable (except the 1M).
I think you are also confusing the definitions. Our cars are neither classic nor collectible at this point. Simply out of production.




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Nah...too many made.

It will be popular becasue the price/performance will be good. You will be able to my a fairly good performance car for very little money.

The 2008 135 is already selling at auction for less than 15k.
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Nah...too many made.

It will be popular becasue the price/performance will be good. You will be able to my a fairly good performance car for very little money.

The 2008 135 is already selling at auction for less than 15k.
not really. production is much less than other cars which have become desirable (E30, etc). but I agree that it will be remembered for its performance/fun factor the most
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mods don't hold value....originality holds value. special editions like the 135is will definitely hold value as they came modded from BMW. I'm not just saying that because I drive one....but you will see that pattern in most cars that the OEM upgraded models always maintain a premium.
AGREED... OEM always holds value. That is not a pattern, it is a historical fact.
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I agree, I think people in this thread are confusing classic with collectable. The 1 series is a classic, but not a collectable (except the 1M).
I think you are also confusing the definitions. Our cars are neither classic nor collectible at this point. Simply out of production.




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everyone seems to have their own definitions, for me a 1 series with sport package and manual transmission is a classically designed BMW, a X3 is not.
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It all really depends on what your definition of "classic" is. Someone mentioned the 2002, but what about the E30 as a more recent example? Sure, the E30 M3 is the definitive example, but I would argue that the platform in general has a pretty avid following, and my guess is that the 1er was produced in significantly fewer numbers. And the car already has sort of a cult following IMO, and it only just went out of production. I'm not saying our cars are going to be worth a whole lot down the line, but I think E82's will be remembered and recognized as characterful driver's cars, for whatever that is worth.
I agree.

My (rather simple) definition of classic would be a car that has been out of production for some time and looked back with fond reverence by both the critics and the public...

The 2002 and the E30 M3 fit this description to a tee.
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As long as my car is sitting pretty in my garage, it'll always be a classic to me.

And that's all that really matters in my eyes.
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I've actually been wondering about this myself. I'm leaning towards probably not. But you have to think that the statement "there will never be another 128/135 again" might bring some interest a few years down the road. I'm hanging on to mine for the long haul because I love it. But if it does become desirable. Anybody think N54 vs N55 might be a differentiator?
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I agree.

My (rather simple) definition of classic would be a car that has been out of production for some time and looked back with fond reverence by both the critics and the public...

The 2002 and the E30 M3 fit this description to a tee.

as does the standard e30 and e39, the e82 will no doubt be in the list
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The 1 Series do not sell well new & not going to sell well in the future. The 1M will do well over time
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The 1 Series do not sell well new & not going to sell well in the future. The 1M will do well over time
I disagree, but only time will tell
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