Will 1M still hold it's value in the near future?

[nachob]

Originally Posted by ChicagoM4

Aside from the M2, your garage is appreciating in value. good work

Buying 1M is a win win. If value goes up. Nice. If value drops, you are stuck with a 1M! Can't lose. : )

[RaceCarDriver]

Originally Posted by nachob

Buying 1M is a win win. If value goes up. Nice. If value drops, you are stuck with a 1M! Can't lose. : )

exactly, no downside at all.

[RaceCarDriver]

Originally Posted by ChicagoM4

Aside from the M2, your garage is appreciating in value. good work

Thank you, except for my daily driver (the M2) I try to only buy cars with appreciation potential.

I bought those other cars several years ago and they have appreciated even more than I thought.

[ORA]

Originally Posted by RaceCarDriver

Great point, I forgot to update my signature, I sold the CLA 45 AMG for the M2. I agree with the hardcore 1M and more friendly M2 assessment. That being said the M2 is my new daily driver, so I assume I will keep it for a while.

I plan on keeping the 1M even longer.

well done!

[ORA]

Originally Posted by ChicagoM4

Aside from the M2, your garage is appreciating in value. good work

SOMEBODY needs a signature and name change!!!!!!!!

[Fahrvergnügen]

Originally Posted by ORA

SOMEBODY needs a signature and name change!!!!!!!!

Done... a bit more generic though

[nachob]

Originally Posted by Fahrvergnügen

Done... a bit more generic though

Love it! Gti lover here!. Being tell anyone!

[BoxFlares]

Originally Posted by ORA

the Z3M Coupe will definitely go up.....but that being said, those DID depreciate in the years after------in fact they were very SLOW sellers when they were new. The 1M was not a slow seller at all.....in fact it sold out way too fast. Big difference, IMO.

E30 M3 was a slow seller in the USA as well. Don't forget that . I wouldn't mind an S54 M shoe tho.

[Poofyo101]

Having a tough time deciding wether to keep the GT4 or 1M with a 991 RS on the way

[ORA]

Originally Posted by BoxFlares

E30 M3 was a slow seller in the USA as well. Don't forget that . I wouldn't mind an S54 M shoe tho.

really? couldn't have been as slow as the Z3 or Z4 coupes.

The E30 M3 was a quite celebrated car in its day.....the Z3 and Z4 coupes were just considered weird freakshows! lol

[RaceCarDriver]

Originally Posted by BoxFlares

E30 M3 was a slow seller in the USA as well. Don't forget that . I wouldn't mind an S54 M shoe tho.

I added an S54 M shoe last year to my 1M and M2 collection. amazing car, prices are doubling get one quick.

[champignon]

Originally Posted by RaceCarDriver

I added an S54 M shoe last year to my 1M and M2 collection. amazing car, prices are doubling get one quick.

Other than for collectibility and reasons of bragging rights, there isn't much difference between the S52 and S54 Z3M Coupes.

The S54 version also appears to have a higher incidence of rear subframe failures necessitating a rather expensive repair.

[RaceCarDriver]

Originally Posted by champignon

Other than for collectibility and reasons of bragging rights, there isn't much difference between the S52 and S54 Z3M Coupes.

As a person that has driven both and bought an S54 M coupe there is no comparsion. Its a HUGE difference. The S54 M coupe has 315 HP, the S52 240 hp.

In a 3,100 lb car, an extra 75 hp in a short wheel base, rear drive coupe is night and day.

The S54 engine (from the E46 M3) is a gem with its 8,000K+ redline. The S52 (from the E36 M3) is a dud in my opinion.

both are great cars, you can't go wrong with either, but if you can swing it, the S54 M coupe is one of the best cars I've owned. If I knew how good it was, I would have bought one when they were cheap.

[Jet Mech]

Originally Posted by RaceCarDriver

As a person that has driven both and bought an S54 M coupe there is no comparsion. Its a HUGE difference. The S54 M coupe has 315 HP, the S52 240 hp.

In a 3,100 lb car, an extra 75 hp in a short wheel base, rear drive coupe is night and day.

The S54 engine (from the E46 M3) is a gem with its 8,000K+ redline. The S52 (from the E36 M3) is a dud in my opinion.

both are great cars, you can't go wrong with either, but if you can swing it, the S54 M coupe is one of the best cars I've owned. If I knew how good it was, I would have bought one when they were cheap.

The S54 sings a sweet tune after 6000 RPMs...

[champignon]

Originally Posted by RaceCarDriver

As a person that has driven both and bought an S54 M coupe there is no comparsion. Its a HUGE difference. The S54 M coupe has 315 HP, the S52 240 hp.

In a 3,100 lb car, an extra 75 hp in a short wheel base, rear drive coupe is night and day.

The S54 engine (from the E46 M3) is a gem with its 8,000K+ redline. The S52 (from the E36 M3) is a dud in my opinion.

both are great cars, you can't go wrong with either, but if you can swing it, the S54 M coupe is one of the best cars I've owned. If I knew how good it was, I would have bought one when they were cheap.

The Z3/M Coupe was developed as an afterthought from the Z3 Roadster. The Roadster started out with an anemic 1.9 liter engine. Very little if any additional structural reinforcement was put into the rear (RWD vehicle) as the engine sizes increased. As a result, the Z3/M Coupes are known to suffer from rear subframe disintegration, which occurs more commonly as engine power increases. The car was simply not built for a 315 hp engine, and people who drive these cars hard have a much higher propensity to have their car's rear ends disintegrate. You can certainly pay your $4000 plus to get Randy Forbe's kit installed or do something else, but basically these cars are hot rodded at the owner's peril. Plus, by modern car standards they aren't anywhere near as safe as a 1-Series (exploding shrapnel from the driver's side airbag excepted )

My take on the Z3/M Coupe is that in 2016 it is basically a short trip around town fun car. You can certainly push it, but it is small, cramped, and not comfortable for long drives, at least not for me. And yes, I know that people drive their Clown Shoes long distances to attend the annual dork events, but I am not one of them.

They are all great cars, both versions of the Z3 Coupe and both versions of the Z3M Coupe.

[Win]

Originally Posted by champignon

The Z3/M Coupe was developed as an afterthought from the Z3 Roadster.

hmmm... sounds familiar and why I want one!

[BoxFlares]

Originally Posted by ORA

really? couldn't have been as slow as the Z3 or Z4 coupes.

The E30 M3 was a quite celebrated car in its day.....the Z3 and Z4 coupes were just considered weird freakshows! lol

Not in the US at the time. There were leftover M3's sitting on lots in 1992-93.

Remember back then BMW was a much smaller company and the performance delta between the 325is and the m3 was small enough and the price gap was so high that many didn't buy the M3 (kinda like the arguments for buying a 135 instead of the 1m). The 1980's is when BMW really became known by mainstream americans via the whole yuppie association. BMW was more obscure in the 1970s except for those in the know.

[BoxFlares]

Originally Posted by RaceCarDriver

I added an S54 M shoe last year to my 1M and M2 collection. amazing car, prices are doubling get one quick.

I just got my 1M last month so it will be a while before I add to the fleet.

I'd have a hard time deciding between the Z3 w/ S54 and the Z4 M coupe.

The Z4 has the looks for me but I love oddball cars.

[Jet Mech]

Originally Posted by BoxFlares

I just got my 1M last month so it will be a while before I add to the fleet.

I'd have a hard time deciding between the Z3 w/ S54 and the Z4 M coupe.

The Z4 has the looks for me but I love oddball cars.

The Z4M coupe is very limited also. I think they only made it for 3 years and around 2000 more or less in the states. It's a beauty and still has that sweet S54 with a manny only.

[ORA]

Originally Posted by Jet Mech

The Z4M coupe is very limited also. I think they only made it for 3 years and around 2000 more or less in the states. It's a beauty and still has that sweet S54 with a manny only.

it's amazing HOW BADLY the Z4M Coupe sold when it was new.

I was once offered a brand new Z4M Coupe for $20k off the sticker....for around $30k......i should have bought it actually. At the time i decided to keep my Audi TT because i was worried about the Z4M's performance in the snow.

[Jet Mech]

Originally Posted by ORA

it's amazing HOW BADLY the Z4M Coupe sold when it was new.

I was once offered a brand new Z4M Coupe for $20k off the sticker....for around $30k......i should have bought it actually. At the time i decided to keep my Audi TT because i was worried about the Z4M's performance in the snow.

Holy crap!!!! 20k off is nuts!!!! Too bad you did not jump on that.

[ORA]

Originally Posted by Jet Mech

Holy crap!!!! 20k off is nuts!!!! Too bad you did not jump on that.

i had at least one other friend who had the same kind of offer in a different state. These cars just did NOT sell at all.....recession times and the Cayman was the 'obvious' choice then.