Who needs Quattro? The snow monster wears an M badge!

Underwood · 11-03-2012, 12:06 PM

Well I have to say that, although it runs on Pilot Alpin with stock tire sizes and without spikes, it's quite good in the snow. So, who really needs quattro?

Will it slide? Oh yes.

Sorry for the crappy pics, but it will do.

135IS · 11-03-2012, 12:13 PM

good in the snow on ps2's? thats kinda hard to believe lol

Underwood · 11-03-2012, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 135IS

good in the snow on ps2's? thats kinda hard to believe lol

Of course not.

They are Pilot Alpin. Same sizes as the PS2's though.

Mdawood · 11-03-2012, 12:27 PM

Alpha-n splitters?

ozinaldo · 11-03-2012, 05:15 PM

Didn't know Pilot Alpin were available in stock 1M sizes. Newly released sizes maybe? Are we talking about new PA4?

EDIT: Just checked a few Michelin sites including French site, there are no 265/35 19 PA4s mentioned in official sites. Front size 245/35 19 are available in W speed rating and 93 load rating, perfect. However, rears in 265/35 19 (98 W) seem to be available only in PA2 which are two generations before actual PA4. So, did you mix PA4s and PA2s on front and rear?

OP, could you clarify what sizes are you running actually and are they all newly launched PA4?

Artemis · 11-03-2012, 07:03 PM

Just checked http://www.michelin.com because I had not seen those either.

Michelin Pilot Alpin is not (yet) indicated when you specify the BMW 1M in the winter tires configurator.

However, recently made available winter tire sizes (at least in several countries) which should indeed fit the silver 1M stock 19" OEM 359 M Y-spoke Competition wheels (as well as the black M3 GTS Competition wheels, which are identical except for the color) (using size instead of car brand in the configurator):

Winter tires:
Michelin Pilot Alpin 245/35R19 93W XL
Michelin Pilot Alpin 265/35R19 98W XL

Pro memoria:

Stock 1M tires (Summer):
Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 245/35R19 93ZR(Y) XL
Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 265/35R19 98ZR(Y) XL
Upgrade for the stock 1M tires (Summer):
Michelin Pilot Super Sport 245/35R19 93W ZR(Y) XL
Michelin Pilot Super Sport 265/35R19 98W ZR(Y) XL

Conclusion: winter tires fitting the 1M stock OEM 19" 359 M Y-spoke Competition wheels:

Michelin Pilot Alpin (front: 245/35R19 93W XL | rear: 265/35R19 98W XL)
Pirelli Winter 270 Sottozero Serie II (front: 245/35R19 93W XL | rear: 265/35R19 98W XL)

Hm, silver 19" stock wheels + Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires as Summer setup and black 19" M3 GTS wheels + Michelin Pilot Alpin tires as Winter setup ...who's first.

Winter alternative offered by BMW (personally not my cup of tea): 270M 18" winter set-up (examples: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...0&postcount=93 and http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...&postcount=295).

Die ///M Rakete · 11-03-2012, 08:19 PM

What's up with the chrome trim around the windows???

ozinaldo · 11-03-2012, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EIN M

What's up with the chrome trim around the windows???

That is standard trim in most countries including (almost?) all Europe. Shadow line is a paid and stand alone option which comes standard in certain markets like US.

Nang Vann · 11-03-2012, 10:08 PM

cool pics

b33g33 · 11-03-2012, 10:13 PM

Wow! The car looks super clean too.

Did you just wax it?

Die ///M Rakete · 11-03-2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ozinaldo

Quote:

Originally Posted by EIN M

What's up with the chrome trim around the windows???

That is standard trim in most countries including (almost?) all Europe. Shadow line is a paid and stand alone option which comes standard in certain markets like US.

Ohhh....good to know. Thanks!

Underwood · 11-04-2012, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by b33g33

Wow! The car looks super clean too.

Did you just wax it?

It's waxed, but not recently. The car sits in a warn garage all winter, and since there's ice everywhere now it stays clean while driving

Underwood · 11-04-2012, 06:32 AM

Let me get back to you with exact tire specs

Roc'n///M · 11-08-2012, 06:23 AM

I thought I saw a very good thread on rims/ tire combos but can't seem to find it now. Artemus did you contribute to that thread? That thread might be relevant to this discussion for those new to the wheel/ tire combos available.

Artemis · 11-08-2012, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by I ///M Gone

I thought I saw a very good thread on rims/tire combos but can't seem to find it now. Artemis did you contribute to that thread? That thread might be relevant to this discussion for those new to the wheel/tire combos available.

I guess you refer to the leading thread about winter tires for the 1M:
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=533397 ("Winter tire 1M discussion")

Additional info (Summer/Winter/track):
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=727254 ("How much tire?")
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=747381 ("Tires for track day")
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=614448 ("Pictures of 1Ms with aftermarket wheels")
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=645160 ("Tire upgrade for stock 1M wheels)
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=667053 ("1M Pilot Super Sport initial review") (PS2 [stock]versus PSS [upgrade])

-Z- · 11-08-2012, 09:01 AM

Stock size is too wide for winter tires and will not be effective in the snow or on the ice imho

///M1 · 11-08-2012, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by -Z-

Stock size is too wide for winter tires and will not be effective in the snow or on the ice imho

True, in deep snow (or any snow really), smaller width = better. Less to thread through and push aside.

On ice, nothing would really help you as much as a studded tire. And there you also want a narrower tire (e.g. just check out the WRC cars, they ride on what looks like a donut spare tire LOL)

On the overall size of the winters, I think it is a decision based on where exactly you live. If you are say in the Snow Belt, then definitely downsize the tire width. If in the 'mid' Northeast, where snow rarely accumulates and you find yourself driving on generally cleaned up roads, then a much narrower tire would really compromise the handling and staying near or at stock widths may be OK.

JasonCSU · 11-08-2012, 03:17 PM

I really like that angled shot driving down the road. Nice work!

M3 Adjuster · 11-08-2012, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Nang Vann

cool pics

so happy I don't need snow tires ..

. enjoyed the photos

RWD in the snow with good tires is hugely fun.

TunedM2C · 11-08-2012, 07:14 PM

Mine are going on next week.

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ozinaldo Brigadier General 115 Rep 3,070 Posts Drives: 1M Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Lisbon, Portugal iTrader: (0)	Didn't know Pilot Alpin were available in stock 1M sizes. Newly released sizes maybe? Are we talking about new PA4? EDIT: Just checked a few Michelin sites including French site, there are no 265/35 19 PA4s mentioned in official sites. Front size 245/35 19 are available in W speed rating and 93 load rating, perfect. However, rears in 265/35 19 (98 W) seem to be available only in PA2 which are two generations before actual PA4. So, did you mix PA4s and PA2s on front and rear? OP, could you clarify what sizes are you running actually and are they all newly launched PA4? __________________ "The mark of a great car is one whose overall competence exceeds what you should expect from its individual components and the 1M does just that", Chris Harris. BMW 1M-SOLD-: TECH: Evolve Race+N55mids, Evolve IC, Michelin PSS, ER cp, aFe filter, CDVx, Vorshlag camber plates, BMS OCC EXTERIOR: trunk spoiler, blacklines, black grills, IND goodies INTERIOR: Alcantara steering wheel, steel pedals, custom mats, MPower e-brake. Last edited by ozinaldo; 11-03-2012 at 05:55 PM..
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Artemis Moderator 29257 Rep 13,087 Posts Drives: BMW M2 Competition Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Belgium iTrader: (0)	Just checked http://www.michelin.com because I had not seen those either. Michelin Pilot Alpin is not (yet) indicated when you specify the BMW 1M in the winter tires configurator. However, recently made available winter tire sizes (at least in several countries) which should indeed fit the silver 1M stock 19" OEM 359 M Y-spoke Competition wheels (as well as the black M3 GTS Competition wheels, which are identical except for the color) (using size instead of car brand in the configurator): Winter tires: Michelin Pilot Alpin 245/35R19 93W XL Michelin Pilot Alpin 265/35R19 98W XL Pro memoria: Stock 1M tires (Summer): Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 245/35R19 93ZR(Y) XL Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 265/35R19 98ZR(Y) XL Upgrade for the stock 1M tires (Summer): Michelin Pilot Super Sport 245/35R19 93W ZR(Y) XL Michelin Pilot Super Sport 265/35R19 98W ZR(Y) XL Conclusion: winter tires fitting the 1M stock OEM 19" 359 M Y-spoke Competition wheels: Michelin Pilot Alpin (front: 245/35R19 93W XL \| rear: 265/35R19 98W XL) Pirelli Winter 270 Sottozero Serie II (front: 245/35R19 93W XL \| rear: 265/35R19 98W XL) Hm, silver 19" stock wheels + Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires as Summer setup and black 19" M3 GTS wheels + Michelin Pilot Alpin tires as Winter setup ...who's first. Winter alternative offered by BMW (personally not my cup of tea): 270M 18" winter set-up (examples: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...0&postcount=93 and http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...&postcount=295). __________________ ///M is art ↔ Artemis
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