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[dtla1]

Alright, I've seen some mention of some of you running this wheel here or there. I'm curious, what suspension modification, camber, coil overs, struts, springs, fender modifications etc are you running? I'm looking for an affordable, lightweight square setup and this seems the way to go. Just curious as to what else I will need to do to make it fit?

17X9 http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/Wheel...All&sort=Brand

[Kgolf31]

Originally Posted by dtla1

Alright, I've seen some mention of some of you running this wheel here or there. I'm curious, what suspension modification, camber, coil overs, struts, springs, fender modifications etc are you running? I'm looking for an affordable, lightweight square setup and this seems the way to go. Just curious as to what else I will need to do to make it fit?

17X9 http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/Wheel...All&sort=Brand

Front Fitment:

-3.6* Camber
Front fenders rolled (upper lip tucked in, outer profile not changed from OEM)
12.5mm Spacers
Must make sure spring height and/or perch is such that doesn't interfere with inside tire. Either ride height adjustments or spring height adjustments with conjunction to perch adjustment is required to fit. In my case IIRC it's a 6.5" spring with the perch adjusted to barely clear. I run TCKline Dual Adjustables


Rear
-1.9* Camber
Fenders Rolled.

The rears fit fairly easy, it's really no different than an APEX 17x8.5 route at ET40.



This is with 255/40/17 Bridgestone RE-71R Tires

[dtla1]

I run a Bilstein B8 strut up front. IIRC TCKline DA Coils have a much thicker tube diameter? And I also would not be dealing with perch clearance issues. Is that much front camber absolutely necessary to make it fit in your case? I'm thinking of buying one wheel with a mounted tire to test fit, I just don't know what I would do with these in case it would take much more work than I would be comfortable with.

[Ginger_Extract]

Yes, you need at least -3 and a very aggressive fender roll to run a 9" wheel with a 255.

I'm running 17x9 ET35 with 255 RS3. Needs the right ride height, max out the negative camber (I'm at -3.0*), a very aggressive fender roll/bumper tab trimming, and decent roll stiffness to not rub.

[Kgolf31]

Originally Posted by dtla1

I run a Bilstein B8 strut up front. IIRC TCKline DA Coils have a much thicker tube diameter? And I also would not be dealing with perch clearance issues. Is that much front camber absolutely necessary to make it fit in your case? I'm thinking of buying one wheel with a mounted tire to test fit, I just don't know what I would do with these in case it would take much more work than I would be comfortable with.

Tube Diameter wasn't the issue for me, it was spring/perch clearance.

Yes, you'll need extreme camber to fit any 17x9 variant.

[dtla1]

Right now I'm at -2.4* camber in the front with my bumper tab trimmed, M3 Front Control Arms, Dinan Fixed Camber plates, Bilstein B8, Eibach Pro-Kit springs, a 10mm spacer running 255 direzza dz102 (very narrow 255) on rear 261Ms. I'm pretty sure the front ride height is a bit too low for me even with the Dinan fixed plates. Statically, when I turn the wheel to full lock, there is about 1/4" clearance between the tire and the fender.

My next steps are to replace the springs all the way around with Swift Spec-R springs, potentially e9X spec. I also plan to replace the rubber spring perches at the front top and bottom and potentially top hats as well. We'll see how much the front goes up by if I do all this. After this is when I plan to buy one k8r to test fit. When I got my alignment done at West End Alignment after I installed the Dinan plates and M3 arms, the tech told me I could get up to -3* with my setup. I'm hopeful that this setup works out for me.

Any thoughts on this? It seems like maybe Ginger_Extract and Kgolf31 are the only ones to run these so far?

[Ginger_Extract]

Originally Posted by dtla1

Right now I'm at -2.4* camber in the front with my bumper tab trimmed, M3 Front Control Arms, Dinan Fixed Camber plates, Bilstein B8, Eibach Pro-Kit springs, a 10mm spacer running 255 direzza dz102 (very narrow 255) on rear 261Ms. I'm pretty sure the front ride height is a bit too low for me even with the Dinan fixed plates. Statically, when I turn the wheel to full lock, there is about 1/4" clearance between the tire and the fender.

My next steps are to replace the springs all the way around with Swift Spec-R springs, potentially e9X spec. I also plan to replace the rubber spring perches at the front top and bottom and potentially top hats as well. We'll see how much the front goes up by if I do all this. After this is when I plan to buy one k8r to test fit. When I got my alignment done at West End Alignment after I installed the Dinan plates and M3 arms, the tech told me I could get up to -3* with my setup. I'm hopeful that this setup works out for me.

Any thoughts on this? It seems like maybe Ginger_Extract and Kgolf31 are the only ones to run these so far?

You're local to me, just come test fit my 17x9 and see how far off you are. I live in Long Beach.

[dtla1]

Thanks Jake!! I'll get my ass getting the suspension refresh underway and I'll let you know when I'm ready to test fit.

[lowside67]

Originally Posted by dtla1

Right now I'm at -2.4* camber in the front with my bumper tab trimmed, M3 Front Control Arms, Dinan Fixed Camber plates, Bilstein B8, Eibach Pro-Kit springs, a 10mm spacer running 255 direzza dz102 (very narrow 255) on rear 261Ms. I'm pretty sure the front ride height is a bit too low for me even with the Dinan fixed plates. Statically, when I turn the wheel to full lock, there is about 1/4" clearance between the tire and the fender.

My next steps are to replace the springs all the way around with Swift Spec-R springs, potentially e9X spec. I also plan to replace the rubber spring perches at the front top and bottom and potentially top hats as well. We'll see how much the front goes up by if I do all this. After this is when I plan to buy one k8r to test fit. When I got my alignment done at West End Alignment after I installed the Dinan plates and M3 arms, the tech told me I could get up to -3* with my setup. I'm hopeful that this setup works out for me.

Any thoughts on this? It seems like maybe Ginger_Extract and Kgolf31 are the only ones to run these so far?

I have the K8Rs and the wide 255 RE71R. I run a 12mm spacer so my effective offset is +33, if you have a narrower tire you could probably just squeak by with a 10mm spacer for a +35.

With my setup without the M3 lower arms and with rolled fenders, I rubbed like crazy with -2.7 camber on straight bumps, for example a speed bump. It was simply not properly driveable, full stop. I now have -3.0 and it does not rub under even the most extreme circumstances.

The M3 control arms actually give you LESS clearance at the same camber value, ie if you have -3 and I have -3 but only you have the arms, I will actually have more clearance to the fender since my whole wheel is further inboard. With the -2.4 that you currently have, combined with the arms, it is my opinion that there is no way that will not rub even though your tire is a bit narrower.

Even at -3 degrees with the arms, it will be tight and dependent on how much narrower the tire is to determine on whether it will rub.

An 8.5 +35 is much easier to fit and will fit front and rear perfectly without any spacers, just food for thought.

Mark

[dtla1]

Interesting analysis lowside67, What suspension setup are you using? As I mentioned earlier, I've heard that some struts use a larger tube diameter which has caused rubbing issues for some, although I don't recall which struts they were.

[lowside67]

I have TC Kline DAs which are the exact same diameter as an Koni based shock. They were not materially different than my stock struts. The AST 5200 is the only shock that comes to mind that may be actually larger enough to require a different spacer.

Mark