Motortrend Evo X vs. 135i

[PhAzE]

New video I found on youtube.

[EINSER M]

nice vid thanks for posting, 135 wins duuuuh even 0-60 it smokes the evo x!

[Lloyd]

thats hot, cant wait to pick up a 135i

[vivid]

nice review, thanks for posting.

[Catsonar]

The new EVO sucks. The only thing I can give them credit for is the dual clutch. I am also turned off by the pricing, 50,000 for an EVO to the dealership I went too, F*&* that. I hope to get my 135i in late summer.

[chriscecc914]

wow 0-60 in 4.7 seconds with the "plain jane automatic". BMW says the 6 speed with get you to 60 a tad quicker.

[chewablechain]

Originally Posted by chriscecc914

wow 0-60 in 4.7 seconds with the "plain jane automatic". BMW says the 6 speed with get you to 60 a tad quicker.

Where does BMW say that? I heard it was impossible to try to shift as fast as the automatic in M or DS mode ??

[Italteen3]

Originally Posted by chewablechain

Where does BMW say that? I heard it was impossible to try to shift as fast as the automatic in M or DS mode ??

BMW claims the manual is faster by 1-2 tenths of a second, but the times it gives are all low 5 second sprints to 60mph. A few mags have tested the 135i to 60 in 4.7 seconds both auto and manual.

Thanks for posting the link! Go 135i

[chewablechain]

Originally Posted by Italteen3

BMW claims the manual is faster by 1-2 tenths of a second, but the times it gives are all low 5 second sprints to 60mph. A few mags have tested the 135i to 60 in 4.7 seconds both auto and manual.

Thanks for posting the link! Go 135i

I still haven't found were exactly BMW states that.. I'll keep on searching... I did find this, however..

"No matter whether one gear step or several gear steps are shifted, the response time remains the same. And the latter is extremely low: If - at an approximate driving speed of 70 km/h in the sixth gear- a kickdown signal is received, then the automatic 6-speed transmission needs just 100 milliseconds in order to trigger the rapid changeover from the sixth into the second gear. All in all, ZF was capable of reducing the shift time by half in relation to its previous transmissions."

This is from the ZF press release http://www.zf.com/content/en/import/...jsp?dbID=23483

I don't know of anyone who can shift in just 100 milliseconds... did you blink you've already shifted twice.. ??
Every TV show I've seen that's pulled 4.7 or 4.8 seconds to 60 is using the "plain jane automatic"

[Italteen3]

Originally Posted by chewablechain

I still haven't found were exactly BMW states that.. I'll keep on searching... I did find this, however..

"No matter whether one gear step or several gear steps are shifted, the response time remains the same. And the latter is extremely low: If - at an approximate driving speed of 70 km/h in the sixth gear- a kickdown signal is received, then the automatic 6-speed transmission needs just 100 milliseconds in order to trigger the rapid changeover from the sixth into the second gear. All in all, ZF was capable of reducing the shift time by half in relation to its previous transmissions."

This is from the ZF press release http://www.zf.com/content/en/import/...jsp?dbID=23483

I don't know of anyone who can shift in just 100 milliseconds... did you blink you've already shifted twice.. ??
Every TV show I've seen that's pulled 4.7 or 4.8 seconds to 60 is using the "plain jane automatic"

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx

Manual 5.1 seconds
Auto 5.2 seconds

Your point is a good one, who can shift in 100 milliseconds?!? Not me. :smile: I have the auto and love it. The only complaint is the paddle shifters. I wish they were setup Ferrari-style. Up on the right down on the left, instead of both paddles set up to both up & down shift.

[chewablechain]

Originally Posted by Italteen3

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx

Manual 5.1 seconds
Auto 5.2 seconds

Your point is a good one, who can shift in 100 milliseconds?!? Not me. :smile: I have the auto and love it. The only complaint is the paddle shifters. I wish they were setup Ferrari-style. Up on the right down on the left, instead of both paddles set up to both up & down shift.

I see that, but as far as actual proof it makes no sense. BMW says 5.2 (with a little 2 next to the Auto- which if you try to read it below says "2. BMW AG test results. Actual acceleration results may vary, depending on specification of vehicle; road and environmental conditions; testing procedures and driving style. These results should be used for comparison only and verification should not be atte" <-- attempted? who knows!) I can see that the car is heavier, by about 10 pounds, but that makes no difference. Considering 100 pounds makes about 1 tenth of a second difference...

If there is anyone with a manual in the Orlando area - I will gladly meet you at Bithlo.. Please contact me- we'll go at it!

[Gabriel]

Given that the EVO is less than 300hp and AWD what's the big surprise?

Two VERY different cars.

[chewablechain]

Magazines that actually tested the car - pulled some numbers..
Road and Track tested a manual tranny and pulled 4.8 seconds consistantly in a run to 60 with a 13.4 @ 104 mph 1/4 run.. Motor Trend tested an auto and consistantly and got 4.7 in a run to 60 with a 13.3 @ 105.6 mph 1/4 run

My offer still stands <3

[Robert]

Another reason that I bought manual, because I would be really disturbed if 2009 1 comes with an variant of M-DCT, which apparently is working its way into the 2009 3 series.

As previously reported expect several other key changes to the E90. First and foremost the front and rear fascia will be updated. Secondly the interior design as a whole will be slightly tweaked. Mechanically expect the biggest news to come from a new optional DCT (dual clutch transmission) and a special sport model similar to the ZHP package offered on the E46. It’s this sport model that could see the debut of an up-rated 3.0L turbo that currently powers the 335i.

Original source: http://www.bimmerfile.com/2008/04/19...pdated-idrive/

[professor]

that was my thinking too robert and i really do think it will happen sooner rather than later. the vw golf has dsg after all so why not the 1 series.

[Mystiqueskillz]

The Evo X sucks compared to the Evo IX in performance. The Evo IX MR runs 12.9-13.0 stock.

[chewablechain]

Originally Posted by Mystiqueskillz

The Evo X sucks compared to the Evo IX in performance. The Evo IX MR runs 12.9-13.0 stock.

This came from Car & Driver, where are you getting your info. on the Evo IX...
"With the Evo IX MR, we saw 60 mph in 4.6 seconds and the quarter-mile in 13.4 seconds at 104 mph, the fleetest sprinting we've garnered from any stock Evo. "
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t_drive_review

(Compared to the 135i) I don't understand how less horsepower, less torque, and awd (all at a higher RPM) can make a 12.9 to 13.0 stock?? I'm not sure even with shorter gearing that it could muscle that..

[M3Newbie88]

Originally Posted by chewablechain

Magazines that actually tested the car - pulled some numbers..
Road and Track tested a manual tranny and pulled 4.8 seconds consistantly in a run to 60 with a 13.4 @ 104 mph 1/4 run.. Motor Trend tested an auto and consistantly and got 4.7 in a run to 60 with a 13.3 @ 105.6 mph 1/4 run

My offer still stands <3

Some ppl just cant face the fact that an AT is faster by a tad then the MT.. who cares.. its all the 1 series be happy with what you got.. half the people buying this car is gonna mod it anyways..

[ichiban]

There's always going to be faster times than what some mags post up. You have to put into account if the track is a fast track and conditions of the day.

[topvega]

Today's auto tranny's are pretty damn good... I don't care if the auto runs .1 seconds faster then the manual.. for me it is about feel... There is no comparison for me when it comes to auto and manual... I have driven many automatics and many manuals.. no matter how great the auto is it is not the same as a manual for feel and being directly connected to the vehicle... this goes for a vehicle with 100 hp as well as a vehicle with 300 hp...

[Mystiqueskillz]

Originally Posted by chewablechain

This came from Car & Driver, where are you getting your info. on the Evo IX...
"With the Evo IX MR, we saw 60 mph in 4.6 seconds and the quarter-mile in 13.4 seconds at 104 mph, the fleetest sprinting we've garnered from any stock Evo. "
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t_drive_review

(Compared to the 135i) I don't understand how less horsepower, less torque, and awd (all at a higher RPM) can make a 12.9 to 13.0 stock?? I'm not sure even with shorter gearing that it could muscle that..

If you go to evom.net you can find time slips of drivers with stock cars hitting 12's easily. For example, the S2000, you see magazine times at 14.0 - 14.3 stock, but there are lots like lots of people on S2ki.com that has hit as low as 13.6 stock in a S2000.

[mistermojorizin]

Originally Posted by chewablechain

I still haven't found were exactly BMW states that.. I'll keep on searching... I did find this, however..

"No matter whether one gear step or several gear steps are shifted, the response time remains the same. And the latter is extremely low: If - at an approximate driving speed of 70 km/h in the sixth gear- a kickdown signal is received, then the automatic 6-speed transmission needs just 100 milliseconds in order to trigger the rapid changeover from the sixth into the second gear. All in all, ZF was capable of reducing the shift time by half in relation to its previous transmissions."

This is from the ZF press release http://www.zf.com/content/en/import/...jsp?dbID=23483

I don't know of anyone who can shift in just 100 milliseconds... did you blink you've already shifted twice.. ??
Every TV show I've seen that's pulled 4.7 or 4.8 seconds to 60 is using the "plain jane automatic"

you're right, auto is a bit faster for dragging. it's idiot proof, so its easier to launch, it holds boost up during shifts, and it has shorter gearing so its actually putting down more power to the ground most of the time up until 120mph than an auto matic.

That being said, car and driver cut a 4.7 0-60 with the MT and road and track got a 4.8 with the MT.

The stick shift is not for drag racing, it's for fun. To me, it just feels a lot better (more control, more feel, more fun) than an auto in almost every driving situation (including sitting in traffic). I like to drive the car rather than just steer. Also, in the motortred article, the evo kills it on the road track b/c the evo has a really smart dsg computer program driving the transmission and S-awc doing almost everything else - distributing torque, braking etc. The bmw auto is just not competitive here. I'd be willing to bet the results would have been diffirent with a manual 135.