Aligment values std. vs track

[cannonball]

What are the standard aligment for the 135.
I just bought dinan camber plates, what aligment values would you recomend for a track day. My car has front M3 sway bar plus M3 susp. arms.
Thanks,
Miguel

[pixelblue]

1/16" toe-out in front for better steering response and 1/8" toe-in for the back for reducing oversteer

[cannonball]

thanks pixelblue, are those values for daily driving or for the track

[pixelblue]

its a good compromise for street/track. for street front toe normally is set to 0 but 1/16" is pretty mild and won't hurt the tires. a little toe-in for the back is a good thing. it'll help dial out some oversteer. btw, nice collection of cars you got. would love to see some pics for the shelby or the jag

[Focusedintntions]

I always thought you wanted toe in for improved turn in...and over steer isn't really an issue with our cars lol

[pixelblue]

toe-in for the front helps straight line tracking. think about it, toe-out means the wheels are pointing outside therefore steering response is sharpened. as far as over steer not an issue for our cars, I'll take that as sarcasm

[BrokenVert]

Power oversteer is an issue on our cars but oversteer in general isnt what the chassis does.

This car understeers with the best of em.

[pixelblue]

^ as you dial out under steer you tend to gain more over steer. in my case I have pretty much dialed out most if not all under steer. the rear wants to swing out more frequently now.

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by pixelblue

^ true with all the electronic nannies engaged but turn them off and get on the gas and you got a whole different ball game. btw I have pretty much dialed out most if not all under steer. the only thing missing from my chassis mods is an LSD otherwise I really can't complain much about my rides handling at this point.

As I said. We have an issue with power oversteer. Its completely dial-out-able but it takes 4-5K.

[cannonball]

pixelblue,
this are my toys, I hope I attached the pictures correctly.

[pixelblue]

nice toys Miguel! that shelby is sweet so is the jag. I bet there are some great mountain roads to enjoy your cars in Peru. beautiful country btw. thanks for sharing the pics. cheers

[Focusedintntions]

Originally Posted by pixelblue

toe-in for the front helps straight line tracking. think about it, toe-out means the wheels are pointing outside therefore steering response is sharpened. as far as over steer not an issue for our cars, I'll take that as sarcasm

In stock setup oversteer is fairly difficult to induce. As far what you said about the toe out, I'd still think itd be the opposite no? I mean say you go to turn right, as you begin your turn in all the weight will transfer to the left side of the car where now that wheel is pointing straight instead of inward. If you take the same turn with toe in that outside wheel is already point a bit further inward than a car with zero toe.

Please don't think I'm trying to insult in any way or anything here. Just trying to clarify. From everything I've read in the past I understood that toe in on the front helps turn in and toe out on the rear will help increase oversteer.

[Focusedintntions]

Did some more googling and found this useful article http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/theory/align.html

Good little read on suspensions. Can't believe I've had it backwards for so long lol.

Also sorry to hijack, but nice toys!

[pixelblue]

^ no worries mate. we learn something new everyday.

[escobar929]

paisano!

didnt know there were any 1ers in Peru, my parents just got back from vacation there, been getting fat on all the good chocolate and other goodies they brought back lol