It's official.. my favorite car

dbtheo · 05-15-2008, 01:00 PM

After being able to drive pretty much any bmw on any given day, I have to say, without a doubt, the 1 series (stick shift) is my favorite. Compared to most of the others, it is just so much fun to drive. The feel, the balance, drive position etc is great.

Uptown Bully · 05-15-2008, 02:56 PM

I like how you had to put "stick shift" in there.

OrientBlauZHP · 05-15-2008, 03:00 PM

Even more so than the E46M3? That seems to be the car that a lot of people are comparing it to on other forums.

Dan203 · 05-15-2008, 03:06 PM

People are really bias toward that E46 M3. I saw a video review by Edmunds.com where they compared a 135i, a 335i and a 2002 E46 M3. In the end they actually recommended people by a used E46 M3 over the other two! I couldn't believe it, they actually recommend people buy a 6 year old used car with no warranty over two brand new cars. That just seemed ludicrous to me.

Dan

dbtheo · 05-15-2008, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Uptown Bully

I like how you had to put "stick shift" in there.

a key point in "fun" in my book:wink:

dbtheo · 05-15-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 1thirty5

Even more so than the E46M3? That seems to be the car that a lot of people are comparing it to on other forums.

well... yes. I absolutely hate the long throws for the stick on the M3. The M is obviously a little more extreme & focused, but for all around day to day >>> track to track. The more I drive it, the more I like the 1.

To me, I think I most compare this car to 330i zhp, well atleast the 128 anyway.

WhiteOne · 05-15-2008, 03:50 PM

I have driven the E46M3. The 135i rides better and drives better. All that low down torque really makes a difference. Even the Step is 50 times better than SMG. The writer is probably trying to sell his M3

YOMV

Road Runner · 05-15-2008, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan203

People are really bias toward that E46 M3. I saw a video review by Edmunds.com where they compared a 135i, a 335i and a 2002 E46 M3. In the end they actually recommended people by a used E46 M3 over the other two! I couldn't believe it, they actually recommend people buy a 6 year old used car with no warranty over two brand new cars. That just seemed ludicrous to me.

Dan

I didn't see the segment, but only read the article via the link from here, but wasn't it more of a draw?

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=125908

aesthetect · 05-15-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dbtheo

To me, I think I most compare this car to 330i zhp, well atleast the 128 anyway.

interesting, care to embellish?

mistermojorizin · 05-15-2008, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Road Runner

I didn't see the segment, but only read the article via the link from here, but wasn't it more of a draw?

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=125908

if i remember right, they hedged their bets. they said the 135 was the best in the twisties and best compramise between comfort and sport. tied for 1st place. then they said the 135 understeers. then they said the 335 was everyone's choice if money was no object. 2nd place. then they said the M3 was the best car considering the low price.

so you could potentially select any of the 3 cars and use the article to back up your conclusions.

All i care about the article is that 135 won most of the objective categories. 0-60, quarter mile, slalom, etc. times for all 3 cars were relatively bad, but it doesn't matter, i'm just looking at the comparison.

dbtheo · 05-15-2008, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by aesthetect

interesting, care to embellish?

granted the suspension of the zhp was nicer, to me the cars are similar in personality & feel. They feel lighter than they are, strong, smooth engines, only 5hp between the two. The shifter action of the zhp is a little nicer. Similar interior space. I would probably rate the zhp just a notch above it overall, but not by much. Put BMW's "performance" suspension in & short throw shifter & I'll put them equal. Both cars have that "fun to drive" thing about em. For those cars it's not about out right power & speed, but more about balance & being able to carry that speed, smoothly.

backtoreality15 · 05-15-2008, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dbtheo

granted the suspension of the zhp was nicer, to me the cars are similar in personality & feel. They feel lighter than they are, strong, smooth engines, only 5hp between the two. The shifter action of the zhp is a little nicer. Similar interior space. I would probably rate the zhp just a notch above it overall, but not by much. Put BMW's "performance" suspension in & short throw shifter & I'll put them equal. Both cars have that "fun to drive" thing about em. For those cars it's not about out right power & speed, but more about balance & being able to carry that speed, smoothly.

Well said. I was cross-shopping between the two. But in the end I'd rather have a car with a solid new-BMW warranty (and updated looks :biggrin

. Though I will miss the exhaust note & Alcantara of the ZHP...

What is the "performance" suspension...?

dbtheo · 05-15-2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by backtoreality15

Well said. I was cross-shopping between the two. But in the end I'd rather have a car with a solid new-BMW warranty (and updated looks :biggrin

. Though I will miss the exhaust note & Alcantara of the ZHP...

What is the "performance" suspension...?

BMW Performance is bmw's aftermarket brand. uprated shocks springs etc... & you are sooo right about that exhaust note.. killer

BMW Dreamer · 05-15-2008, 06:28 PM

135i is new, has a warranty, and costs less then a 335i.

ALRIGHTY THEN.

OrientBlauZHP · 05-15-2008, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dbtheo

granted the suspension of the zhp was nicer, to me the cars are similar in personality & feel. They feel lighter than they are, strong, smooth engines, only 5hp between the two. The shifter action of the zhp is a little nicer. Similar interior space. I would probably rate the zhp just a notch above it overall, but not by much. Put BMW's "performance" suspension in & short throw shifter & I'll put them equal. Both cars have that "fun to drive" thing about em. For those cars it's not about out right power & speed, but more about balance & being able to carry that speed, smoothly.

I suspect your comparing the zhp to the 128, not the 135. But I do love my zhp and I will miss it until I get my 135. And I will definitely miss that exhaust note.

dbtheo · 05-15-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 1thirty5

I suspect your comparing the zhp to the 128, not the 135.

correct, I think it's a fair comparo...

imported_Katera · 05-15-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff1962

135i is new, has a warranty, and costs less then a 335i.

ALRIGHTY THEN.

AMEN BROTHER!

The simple fact is the old m3 will NEVER have our TT engine. One of the most amazing 6 ever made. And the 335i will NEVER have our nimbleness, and yes...we are less $$$.

Muahahaha!

The only thing that would make this amazing car better is if you got a Vert!

whya1? · 05-15-2008, 07:43 PM

I think they pick the M3 because it does feel a lot more special than either a 135 or 335. The car feels like a race car and has a much nicer exhaust note. The 135/335 have a similar experience (muted exhaust note, flat turbo powerband)

The M3 makes you want to rev it and rewards you with that wail and you feel like it is always getting faster as the power increases with revs. Both of the turbos have plenty of torque, they just don't feel like race cars. That is why the chose the M3 over the other cars.

I personally would go with the newer car since you never know how badly the previous owner beat the M3. And many are beaten to death.

Dr_Jones · 05-15-2008, 09:10 PM

E46 M3 is the other car on my list...cant find many manual with low miles in boston area.

Is anyone concerned with carbon buildup on intake valves due to direct injection. Im driving a VAG 2.0TFSI and this seems to be a concern because of crankcase breathing to the intake without fuel injection upstream of the valves?

I should probably start searching in the 335 forums.

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Dan203 Lieutenant Colonel 136 Rep 1,592 Posts Drives: 2016 340i xDrive Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Carson City, NV iTrader: (1)	People are really bias toward that E46 M3. I saw a video review by Edmunds.com where they compared a 135i, a 335i and a 2002 E46 M3. In the end they actually recommended people by a used E46 M3 over the other two! I couldn't believe it, they actually recommend people buy a 6 year old used car with no warranty over two brand new cars. That just seemed ludicrous to me. Dan
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WhiteOne Major 28 Rep 1,000 Posts Drives: 2008 AW 135i Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Alabama iTrader: (0)	I have driven the E46M3. The 135i rides better and drives better. All that low down torque really makes a difference. Even the Step is 50 times better than SMG. The writer is probably trying to sell his M3 YOMV
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BMW Dreamer Colonel 72 Rep 2,387 Posts Drives: Modded 06 TL Manual Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Northern IL. iTrader: (0)	135i is new, has a warranty, and costs less then a 335i. ALRIGHTY THEN.
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whya1? Banned 1 Rep 170 Posts Drives: Join Date: Apr 2008 iTrader: (0)	I think they pick the M3 because it does feel a lot more special than either a 135 or 335. The car feels like a race car and has a much nicer exhaust note. The 135/335 have a similar experience (muted exhaust note, flat turbo powerband) The M3 makes you want to rev it and rewards you with that wail and you feel like it is always getting faster as the power increases with revs. Both of the turbos have plenty of torque, they just don't feel like race cars. That is why the chose the M3 over the other cars. I personally would go with the newer car since you never know how badly the previous owner beat the M3. And many are beaten to death.
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Dr_Jones Major 71 Rep 1,027 Posts Drives: Join Date: May 2008 iTrader: (0)	E46 M3 is the other car on my list...cant find many manual with low miles in boston area. Is anyone concerned with carbon buildup on intake valves due to direct injection. Im driving a VAG 2.0TFSI and this seems to be a concern because of crankcase breathing to the intake without fuel injection upstream of the valves? I should probably start searching in the 335 forums.
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