Sunroof works with engine off

sblument · 05-20-2006, 05:28 PM

My E90 (took delivery 3/23/06) sunroof doesn't work unless the ignition is on. But, my car is in the shop right now (for BMW Assist "data error" issue), and on my loaner car, which was made a few months later than my car, the sunroof works after you turn off the engine, and even when you take the key out (ignition is certainly off by that time.) Weird. I thought all our sunroofs didn't work like that.

Anyone who just picked up their car...can your sunroof do this?

0700700 · 05-20-2006, 05:40 PM

no key, no sunroff working here

0700700 · 05-20-2006, 05:40 PM

7/2005 build

E90Fleet · 05-20-2006, 05:57 PM

Here sunroof works if you put the key in and press the start button without starting the engine ( not pressing brake in Auto or clutch in Manual, the mode where radio ect works ).
This is the same as turning the key to the 2nd position in a car with normal keys.

It also works for a short period after removing the key if the engine was running, so you can close it if you forgot it open after switching the car off.

visor · 05-20-2006, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by E90Fleet

It also works for a short period after removing the key if the engine was running, so you can close it if you forgot it open after switching the car off.

This is what we don't have in North America. :mad: :mad: :mad:

blke90man · 05-20-2006, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by visor

This is what we don't have in North America. :mad: :mad: :mad:

I know...it gets me all the time :mad: My e46's sunroof would close after I took the key out...but my e90...nope :mad:

LEDZEP · 05-20-2006, 07:18 PM

In both my cars (5/05 and 9/05 builds) the key must be in and the car must be in "ready" mode. It's a PITA when I forget to close the roof and shut off the car, because if you hit "stop" to turn off the ignition you have to remove the key, then reinsert the key and push start w/o the brake (ready mode) to close it.

dba1t · 05-20-2006, 07:21 PM

Our '98 E39 528i will operate the sunroof with the key off, which is something we really like.
Our '02 E46 M3 will not operate the sunroof with the key off.
Our '04 E60 545i will not operate the sunroof with the key off.
Our '06 E90 330xi (late April build) will be delivered next week. Will let you know.

canucklion · 05-20-2006, 07:37 PM

I'm seeing a trend, my guess is NO

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Originally Posted by dba1t

Our '98 E39 528i will operate the sunroof with the key off, which is something we really like.
Our '02 E46 M3 will not operate the sunroof with the key off.
Our '04 E60 545i will not operate the sunroof with the key off.
Our '06 E90 330xi (late April build) will be delivered next week. Will let you know.

dencoop · 05-20-2006, 07:45 PM

The timing is very funny for this post....since I was thinking the same thing...

My car was built on 1/16/06 an my sunroof or windows will not close or open once I hit the stop button...it is such a pain to have to start the car again every time......

My friends Jet Black E90..you may have seen our pics.....was built on 3/5/06...and when I was in it the other day to my amazement his sunroof and windows OPEN and CLOSE when the engine is off...thats right once he hits the stop button his sunroof and windows will still operate untill one of the front doors is opened.....

My thoughts were that maybe I need to change something in my settings or he has a later software version on his car....both cars are 325i's w. sport pkg....

Does anyone else have anymore info on this...if it is a simple do it yourself setting thats great....I hope I dont have to take it to the dealer for this.....

visor · 05-20-2006, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dencoop

My car was built on 1/16/06 an my sunroof or windows will not close or open once I hit the stop button...it is such a pain to have to start the car again every time......

My friends Jet Black E90..you may have seen our pics.....was built on 3/5/06...and when I was in it the other day to my amazement his sunroof and windows OPEN and CLOSE when the engine is off...thats right once he hits the stop button his sunroof and windows will still operate untill one of the front doors is opened.....

So, it would seem that BMW does listen to and act on our complaints.

Good for you latecomers

, but bad for us beta-testers!

I also hope that this would be a simple software update.

sblument · 05-20-2006, 09:36 PM

I plan to ask my dealer about it Monday (since I'm already in the shop). They are replacing my control unit for my BMW assist issue, and presumably it will have the latest software version (they were trying to fix my BMW assist issue by updating to the latest software but the control unit kept crashing. so they ordered a replacement.).

I'll post what I find out from the svc dept. and will report if this now works when I get my car back.

bos · 05-20-2006, 10:41 PM

With comfort access, you can just step out of the car, notice the sunroof is open, and press-and-hold the little lock fingerpad on the door handle. It closes the sunroof, windows, and retracts the mirrors.

blke90man · 05-20-2006, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dencoop

The timing is very funny for this post....since I was thinking the same thing...

My car was built on 1/16/06 an my sunroof or windows will not close or open once I hit the stop button...it is such a pain to have to start the car again every time......

My friends Jet Black E90..you may have seen our pics.....was built on 3/5/06...and when I was in it the other day to my amazement his sunroof and windows OPEN and CLOSE when the engine is off...thats right once he hits the stop button his sunroof and windows will still operate untill one of the front doors is opened.....

My thoughts were that maybe I need to change something in my settings or he has a later software version on his car....both cars are 325i's w. sport pkg....

Does anyone else have anymore info on this...if it is a simple do it yourself setting thats great....I hope I dont have to take it to the dealer for this.....

Hmm...my windows work after the engine is off, only the sunroof doesn't. It's very inconvenient.

espo · 05-21-2006, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bos

With comfort access, you can just step out of the car, notice the sunroof is open, and press-and-hold the little lock fingerpad on the door handle. It closes the sunroof, windows, and retracts the mirrors.

Yep same here (built 9/2006). If I'm not mistaken if you don't have CA and use the actual key in the car door, then you can get the sunroof and the windows to cloose when you are outside the car. I know that worked in the E46.

dencoop · 05-21-2006, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by espo89

Yep same here (built 9/2006). If I'm not mistaken if you don't have CA and use the actual key in the car door, then you can get the sunroof and the windows to cloose when you are outside the car. I know that worked in the E46.

That still works in the E90....and it is actually something I started doing instead of starting the engine back up again......

jim lee · 05-21-2006, 01:50 PM

I guess you can add that to the list of Comfort Access benefits, though I agree unnecessary to be available just with CA. With engine off and "powered down" both the windows and sunroof will open or close until a door is open with CA. Can't figure why windows only without CA. My E91 is a 3/06 build.

I was uncertain about CA but after 1 month I'm very happy I got it and this is one major reason.

Jim
2006 Electric Red Sport Wagon (E91)

sblument · 05-21-2006, 05:57 PM

dencoop, that's a good idea. I thought about that but guess I'm too lazy to take out the little embedded key from the fob. But maybe next time I'll try that.

we'll see what the car does with the new control unit later this week when I pick it up

sblument · 05-23-2006, 06:43 PM

got my car back from the dealer with new control unit and the latest software. sunroof behavior unchanged -- works only with ignition on. I didn't pursue the matter it's not that big a deal. I just close the sunroof as I'm approaching the garage.

18LLC · 05-23-2006, 06:55 PM

weird, my key only can open all the window and sunroof, but not close it. i have to press the door handle to close it... why?

sblument · 05-23-2006, 07:41 PM

that functionality is available only with comfort access

e46e90 · 05-23-2006, 09:01 PM

Here's the deal on the sunroof working with the ignition off: My E90 325xi was built the week of February 6, 2006. Minor improvements went into effect that week of production, including a redesigned head rest to meet Insurance Highway Safety Institute safety criteria, new downhill decent light on the dash when activated, AND the ability to open and close the sunroof with the ignition off. Here's how to do it: Insert key fob, press start/stop button once to turn on accessories, and then open sunroof. I did quite a bit of research to find out the improvements that went into effect this week of production. So, those with cars built before probably cannot do this, but those built after can. E90Post Rocks! :rocks:

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sblument Lieutenant 13 Rep 427 Posts Drives: 2006 330i Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Champaign, IL iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 330i [0.00]	Sunroof works with engine off My E90 (took delivery 3/23/06) sunroof doesn't work unless the ignition is on. But, my car is in the shop right now (for BMW Assist "data error" issue), and on my loaner car, which was made a few months later than my car, the sunroof works after you turn off the engine, and even when you take the key out (ignition is certainly off by that time.) Weird. I thought all our sunroofs didn't work like that. Anyone who just picked up their car...can your sunroof do this? __________________ 2006 330i, SP, PP, fold down rear seats, sparkling graphite, black leather, metallic trim.
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E90Fleet Lieutenant General 1312 Rep 10,185 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Africa iTrader: (0)	Here sunroof works if you put the key in and press the start button without starting the engine ( not pressing brake in Auto or clutch in Manual, the mode where radio ect works ). This is the same as turning the key to the 2nd position in a car with normal keys. It also works for a short period after removing the key if the engine was running, so you can close it if you forgot it open after switching the car off. __________________ BMW if you are reading, I need a job, Please.
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dba1t Private 17 Rep 54 Posts Drives: Multiple BMW's Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio iTrader: (0)	Our '98 E39 528i will operate the sunroof with the key off, which is something we really like. Our '02 E46 M3 will not operate the sunroof with the key off. Our '04 E60 545i will not operate the sunroof with the key off. Our '06 E90 330xi (late April build) will be delivered next week. Will let you know.
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dencoop Captain 165 Rep 690 Posts Drives: Porsche (991) 911 C4S Cab Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY iTrader: (1)	The timing is very funny for this post....since I was thinking the same thing... My car was built on 1/16/06 an my sunroof or windows will not close or open once I hit the stop button...it is such a pain to have to start the car again every time...... My friends Jet Black E90..you may have seen our pics.....was built on 3/5/06...and when I was in it the other day to my amazement his sunroof and windows OPEN and CLOSE when the engine is off...thats right once he hits the stop button his sunroof and windows will still operate untill one of the front doors is opened..... My thoughts were that maybe I need to change something in my settings or he has a later software version on his car....both cars are 325i's w. sport pkg.... Does anyone else have anymore info on this...if it is a simple do it yourself setting thats great....I hope I dont have to take it to the dealer for this..... __________________ For Sale: Brand New Alpine White Rear Bumper E90 4dr 325/328/330 $399
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sblument Lieutenant 13 Rep 427 Posts Drives: 2006 330i Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Champaign, IL iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 330i [0.00]	I plan to ask my dealer about it Monday (since I'm already in the shop). They are replacing my control unit for my BMW assist issue, and presumably it will have the latest software version (they were trying to fix my BMW assist issue by updating to the latest software but the control unit kept crashing. so they ordered a replacement.). I'll post what I find out from the svc dept. and will report if this now works when I get my car back. __________________ 2006 330i, SP, PP, fold down rear seats, sparkling graphite, black leather, metallic trim.
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bos Private 0 Rep 86 Posts Drives: 2006 330i Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Jose iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 330i [0.00]	With comfort access, you can just step out of the car, notice the sunroof is open, and press-and-hold the little lock fingerpad on the door handle. It closes the sunroof, windows, and retracts the mirrors.
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jim lee Enlisted Member 2 Rep 31 Posts Drives: Electric Red 325xiT Wagon Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan iTrader: (0)	Another Comfort Access Benefit I guess you can add that to the list of Comfort Access benefits, though I agree unnecessary to be available just with CA. With engine off and "powered down" both the windows and sunroof will open or close until a door is open with CA. Can't figure why windows only without CA. My E91 is a 3/06 build. I was uncertain about CA but after 1 month I'm very happy I got it and this is one major reason. Jim 2006 Electric Red Sport Wagon (E91)
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sblument Lieutenant 13 Rep 427 Posts Drives: 2006 330i Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Champaign, IL iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 330i [0.00]	dencoop, that's a good idea. I thought about that but guess I'm too lazy to take out the little embedded key from the fob. But maybe next time I'll try that. we'll see what the car does with the new control unit later this week when I pick it up __________________ 2006 330i, SP, PP, fold down rear seats, sparkling graphite, black leather, metallic trim.
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sblument Lieutenant 13 Rep 427 Posts Drives: 2006 330i Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Champaign, IL iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 330i [0.00]	got my car back from the dealer with new control unit and the latest software. sunroof behavior unchanged -- works only with ignition on. I didn't pursue the matter it's not that big a deal. I just close the sunroof as I'm approaching the garage. __________________ 2006 330i, SP, PP, fold down rear seats, sparkling graphite, black leather, metallic trim.
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18LLC Major General 149 Rep 5,104 Posts Drives: e89 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: California iTrader: (0)	weird, my key only can open all the window and sunroof, but not close it. i have to press the door handle to close it... why?
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sblument Lieutenant 13 Rep 427 Posts Drives: 2006 330i Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Champaign, IL iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 330i [0.00]	that functionality is available only with comfort access __________________ 2006 330i, SP, PP, fold down rear seats, sparkling graphite, black leather, metallic trim.
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05-23-2006, 09:01 PM	#22
e46e90 Enlisted Member 0 Rep 46 Posts Drives: 2006 325xi, step, pp, cold Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: WA iTrader: (0)	How to make sunroof work when ignition off Here's the deal on the sunroof working with the ignition off: My E90 325xi was built the week of February 6, 2006. Minor improvements went into effect that week of production, including a redesigned head rest to meet Insurance Highway Safety Institute safety criteria, new downhill decent light on the dash when activated, AND the ability to open and close the sunroof with the ignition off. Here's how to do it: Insert key fob, press start/stop button once to turn on accessories, and then open sunroof. I did quite a bit of research to find out the improvements that went into effect this week of production. So, those with cars built before probably cannot do this, but those built after can. E90Post Rocks! :rocks:
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