BMW 1M and Boss 302 take on the M3 (video reviews by Everyday Driver))

[Pete_vB]

Nice review. Captures the spirit of the 1M well I think.

Originally Posted by krnnerdboy

The 1m at 40k might get some consideration but there's far too many cars you can get for that money that is better in every regard

Can't agree. For a DD I can't think of anything I'd trade my 1M for at the moment, which is probably why used prices are so high. As a track car sure there are better options, but a when you throw 4 seats, practicality, etc in the mix it I can honestly say that I can't think of something I'd rather drive daily. That's a personal opinion, sure, but I know a number of others that have come to the same conclusion. I know Chris Harris did, twice:
http://www.pistonheads.com/doc.asp?c=16&i=26480

Originally Posted by krnnerdboy

As for the 1m, arguments I can honestly say I was swayed away by randy pobst review of it and I may be biased.

So keep in mind that RP did a total of three laps on a car with unknown tire condition, alignment, etc. I fully believe the car he drove was a handful, but I also know these cars are very sensitive to tires and setup. I'm 100% sure there was something not right with his at the time he drove it. Against that you have to balance a whole lot of other reviews (evo, CH, etc) that came to the opposite conclusion.

[bplewis24]

"This is the car you want to take every single one of your friends for a ride in...and then SCARE THE HELL OUT OF THEM!"

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by TK-421

lol

[jhall1957]

Originally Posted by MKParris

where did you find one at MSRP? I sure couldnt.

My Boss was $43k and 1M was $47k(euro delivery).

[jhall1957]

Originally Posted by krnnerdboy

Enjoy yourself! I did mine last march and it was a great time. But don't expect to start hot lapping when you get there.

As for the 1m, arguments I can honestly say I was swayed away by randy pobst review of it and I may be biased. However for 60k in the used market, I'd rather get a gtr as much as I am anti gtr or for a little more a 997 gt3

RP was the one pro driver out of 100 that didn't love the 1M. And he races a Volvo, so who cares what he thinks!

[mPlasticDesign]

Originally Posted by krnnerdboy

Enjoy yourself! I did mine last march and it was a great time. But don't expect to start hot lapping when you get there.

As for the 1m, arguments I can honestly say I was swayed away by randy pobst review of it and I may be biased. However for 60k in the used market, I'd rather get a gtr as much as I am anti gtr or for a little more a 997 gt3

You really shouldn't let just one person sway your opinion about anything.
Here is a nice comparisons of Randy's comments to almost every other review:

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...28&postcount=1

[Thurman Murch]

Lest you forget a tuned 1m couldn't catch the F80 prototype on the autobahn

The 1m is still badass

I went back to an M3 after a slough of cars to include an F10 M5

The 302 is great but won't hold up for the long run

The 1m will eventually have hpfp and clogged injector issues

The M3 will eventually have rod bearing problems

[alexmtl_135i]

Every review I read about the 1M makes me sick in my stomach .
Shame on BMW for not allowing us to buy some more.

[mPlasticDesign]

Originally Posted by Thurman Murch

.......The 1m will eventually have hpfp and clogged injector issues

........The M3 will eventually have rod bearing problems

Seems like you really don't know what the hell you are talking about. I've owned all these cars(2005 E46M3, 2008 E90M3, 2011 1M, 2013 E92M3).

First, BMW spent an enormous amount of money replacing HPFP's on about 130k cars equipped with N54 engines. HPFP warranties were extended to 10yrs 130k miles. The problem has been dealt with. Today BMW continues to put the updated HPFP's with very few issues, 1M included.

Secondly, the rod bearing issues on the E46M3 was due to a 3rd party milling defect that was seen only on 2001-2002 model years. Relatively few cars were affected.(blown engine) Subsequent years did not have this issue. The recall replaced the defective rod bearings and BMW extended customer warranties to 100k miles on those engines at no cost even if there were no issues to report of.

The S65 did NOT have this issue(rod bearing).

[Nang Vann]

Great vids! gotta love the BMWs

[Thurman Murch]

Originally Posted by Mr.Metak2you

Seems like you really don't know what the hell you are talking about. I've owned all these cars(2005 E46M3, 2008 E90M3, 2011 1M, 2013 E92M3).

First, BMW spent an enormous amount of money replacing HPFP's on about 130k cars equipped with N54 engines. HPFP warranties were extended to 10yrs 130k miles. The problem has been dealt with. Today BMW continues to put the updated HPFP's with very few issues, 1M included.

Secondly, the rod bearing issues on the E46M3 was due to a 3rd party milling defect that was seen only on 2001-2002 model years. Relatively few cars were affected.(blown engine) Subsequent years did not have this issue. The recall replaced the defective rod bearings and BMW extended customer warranties to 100k miles on those engines at no cost even if there were no issues to report of.

The S65 did NOT have this issue(rod bearing).

It seems like you haven't driven or tracked your cars that much...

And I'm not talking shit or saying the S65 nor the N54T is low quality... I'm just saying those parts will have to be eventually replaced

And if you are a real enthusiast you would have put a supercharger kit on your M3 and knowing that you would be aware that the con rod bearings will eventually have to be replaced (especially for stage 3 track builds) because of the position or lack of eventual lubrication wear on them. http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11149164

This is why some think BMW should have kept the dry sump system from the S85 and not the dual wet sump that is stock

Also, I had to have two injectors replaced on my 1m. Thankfully BMW replaced all 6. I'm sure the hpfp will eventually go bad.unless you are putting that euro benzine in your car. I wasn't talking about 335i's and that whole mess. I put 67000 clicks on it beat that. Plus the 1m doesn't have the N54 it has the N54T douchebag

I actually love the M3 and 1m they are amazing all around cars. I do favor the S65 though. So you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by b33g33

The key thing to note about the video is how often these guys are grinning and or giggling when driving the 1M.

That's what this car is all about. It's not about track times (even though it holds it's own). It's not about straight line speed (even though it's mind-blowingly quick in through-the-gears).

It's about FUN.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by Artemis

Interesting points.

The personal preferences, experiences and expectations, here and now, of each of us are never 100% identical.

Ask yourself, car wise, what matters most for you personally, as we speak: power output ? acceleration ? design ? agility ? fun ? quality ? value ? etc. What purposes mainly serves the car for you personally for the time being: daily driver ? weekend car ? track animal ? urban jungle cat ? garage queen ? most drives alone aboard or joined by the significant other + kids ? etc.

True that when cars are driven back-to-back you might get an idea of which car you like more or even most, but still this judgment heavily depends/relies on the set of your personal preference parameters, experiences and expectations. And those likely evolve(d) over time, as we all go through phases in the stages of our lives. What might have been (un)fit for your purpose(s) and budget in the past, may no longer be the case by now for some reason(s), and vice versa. Moreover, it ain't that easy to compare fresh experiences with memories of experiences from a distant past.

Cars, cars, cars: many great "packages" are available, with pros and cons for each of us personally. Maybe we should conclude that it is simply too complicated to make universal "Best Car" statements, because far too personal and momentum related. At least it should be narrowed down to "Best car for me - hic et nunc - regarding [characteristic X or purpose Y]".

My personal preference ? Fond memories about my previous cars - no doubt about that. But - here and now - the 1M continues to paint a smile/grin on my face whenever I behold and drive it. So I guess - for the time being - the "1M package" is currently still fit for my purposes. And as the bonding continues, it may stay that way for quite awhile. But that does not mean that I keep my eyes closed for future contenders.

Cfr. the panta rhei idea: everything changes and nothing remains still, and you cannot step twice into the same stream.

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Cheers
Robin (ex E46 and E90 M3)

[mPlasticDesign]

Originally Posted by Thurman Murch

It seems like you haven't driven or tracked your cars that much...

And I'm not talking shit or saying the S65 nor the N54T is low quality... I'm just saying those parts will have to be eventually replaced

And if you are a real enthusiast you would have put a supercharger kit on your M3 and knowing that you would be aware that the con rod bearings will eventually have to be replaced (especially for stage 3 track builds)......

Also, I had to have two injectors replaced on my 1m. Thankfully BMW replaced all 6. I'm sure the hpfp will eventually go bad.unless you are putting that euro benzine in your car. I wasn't talking about 335i's and that whole mess. I put 67000 clicks on it beat that. Plus the 1m doesn't have the N54 it has the N54T douchebag

I actually love the M3 and 1m they are amazing all around cars. I do favor the S65 though. So you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Well EVENTUALLY there will be many parts on the car that will need replacing, WHAT'S YOUR POINT? You isolating 2 problem areas specifically, implies that those are weak areas of each car, which they are not. Just because you had shit luck on your 1M doesn't mean anything, totally anecdotal. And you calling me a douchebag and not a "true" enthusiast because a haven't put a S/C on my M3 is laughable and shows who the real DB is.

[Robin_NL]

Why do they put a supercharger on a S65 in the first place? To get rid of the laziness below 4000rpm?
True enhusiasts keep it like it is, a NA 8000+ revving engine.

S65 is a wonderfull engine in a way too heavy package imo.

N54 is a powerful easily tunable engine with its small issues in the beginning. But a gem.

As a daily and sometimes trackdays I easily prefer the N54 in the 1M. 100%

Cheers
Robin

[DASHOCKER]

I like the rustang

[Jay-K]

1M is definitely a future classic. and couldnt be happier to own one!

[kdiggz]

Unfortunately in the real world the M3 is the only choice for most of us. The 1M is a great car, it's just too small and no useable back seat. If you have a family or often need to cart around friends/family/clients then the 1M is not even an option. The mustang is not an option as a daily driver when you are looking at cars with the fit and finish of BMW M. The M3 is still the best in it's segment IMO and was the obvious choice for me

[Muffnbluff]

Originally Posted by Em/1

Well, I traded in a E90 M3 for 1M and am trying to figure out what car is better than 1M at anywhere near the price. I even disagree with the notion that M3 more practical--at least in coupe form, I think back seat in 1M is better tho harder to get into (as if a kid would ever care about that!)

Say what? I've had a 135i and a E92 M3, the M3 clearly had way more spacious and comfortable back seat.

[Artemis]

Here is a picture of the 1M in action with M Mode active. Whether it will win the race or not, is actually irrelevant: what matters is that it gives the jockey one hell of a fun ride. And you know what ? It's not only a horse for courses: it doesn't mind a slow paced ride through town or a visit to the grocery store, eventually with kids. It's "brilliant": a diamond with more facets than you might expect - but you got to be open minded enough to hold it into the light, of course.

[Em/1]

Originally Posted by krnnerdboy

Enjoy yourself! I did mine last march and it was a great time. But don't expect to start hot lapping when you get there.

As for the 1m, arguments I can honestly say I was swayed away by randy pobst review of it and I may be biased. However for 60k in the used market, I'd rather get a gtr as much as I am anti gtr or for a little more a 997 gt3

Well, before the E90 M3 I had 997 GT3 and dont know where you'd get one for "a little more", but that is NOT a street car. Definitely a 3K miles/year with 1/3 on the track (3" ground clearance). Awesome til the just-retired GT2 race driver took us off the track (backwards of course) and rolled us at over 100mph. IF you have 2 cars and don't want to drive it much, then GT3 is great; just don't ever lift or brake and turn in at same time. Won't bother to comment on GTR except to say obviously bloody fast but not much fun and horrifically ugly IMHO.

[TK-421]

Originally Posted by Thurman Murch

It seems like you haven't driven or tracked your cars that much...

And I'm not talking shit or saying the S65 nor the N54T is low quality... I'm just saying those parts will have to be eventually replaced

And if you are a real enthusiast you would have put a supercharger kit on your M3 and knowing that you would be aware that the con rod bearings will eventually have to be replaced (especially for stage 3 track builds) because of the position or lack of eventual lubrication wear on them. http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11149164

This is why some think BMW should have kept the dry sump system from the S85 and not the dual wet sump that is stock

Also, I had to have two injectors replaced on my 1m. Thankfully BMW replaced all 6. I'm sure the hpfp will eventually go bad.unless you are putting that euro benzine in your car. I wasn't talking about 335i's and that whole mess. I put 67000 clicks on it beat that. Plus the 1m doesn't have the N54 it has the N54T douchebag

I actually love the M3 and 1m they are amazing all around cars. I do favor the S65 though. So you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

This guy can't be serious.

[b33g33]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Here is a picture of the 1M in action with M Mode active. Whether it will win the race or not, is actually irrelevant: what matters is that it gives the jockey one hell of a fun ride. And you know what ? It's not only a horse for courses: it doesn't mind a slow paced ride through town or a visit to the grocery store, eventually with kids. It's "brilliant": a diamond with more facets than you might expect - but you got to be open minded enough to hold it into the light, of course.

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Exactly.

The problem with almost everyone pontificating about the 1M on these forums is that most (if not all) have never had seat time (let alone driven) in one.

I've always been a massive fan of the M3 and always will be. However, 90% of the time, a 1M is a better driver's car unless your daily commute includes a section of the 'ring or you need 2 more doors.