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As for the comparaison with the E9x, none is better IMO, it's just a matter of preferance. I certainly prefer the better looking, more luxurious and more powerfull(thanks to a much more special engine) M3, I also think that, price taken off the equation, 99% of people would choose the M3 over the 1M, but you know what, nothing wrong about being in the 1%! |
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nicely put.... and certainly no one can argue that you don't know what you are talking about LOL. I owned two differnt E30 M3s during a 17 year period of ownership and the 1M was what caused me to sell my E30 M3... While I do miss having an E30 M3 in my garage.. I have never regretted the decision. I was very lucky to go from a VERY special BMW to another VERY special BMW. Last edited by M3 Adjuster; 01-02-2015 at 02:28 PM.. |
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Used prices medium term of 1M will fall into a range of collectable, limited production, special BMW's, E46 M3 CSL, E30 M3 Evo 2 and Sport Evo but below those of Z8. M1, 507 and original 328 roadster will always be in a different bracket. £300,000 for a decent M1 now.
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Overall, really solid comment though
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It's sad that after all these year there are still people that say that we never landed on the moon, the Holocaust didn't happen and that the 1M is a tuned 135i. The sheetmetal was different to start with and it can accomodate bigger rubber. It wasn't just a body kit, different sheetmetal. Suspension components were lighter than 135i. The brakes were M3 brakes not for looks as the 135i calipers looked nicer, but M found them to be stronger for track duty and no ceramic piston failures like on 135s. The exhaust was gnarly and different. The flywheel was lightened. The diff was M-sport full lock. It only came in MANual and no sunroof. It weighed less than 135i. The steering rack was hydraulic M3 rack, faster than 135i. The 135i in 2011 was an N55, not N54. Also, the 1M had M-Dynamic traction control, not available on 135i. These are not simple tuner changes!
Retrofitting the hydraulic rack, M3 diff and replacing lighter flywheel and fitting the ZCP M3 wheels and suspension is quite a bit of mechanical and body work. I'm sure a tuner can do all that and add the extra power but at what cost? What made the 1M special and different from 135i for me was the fact that it was only offered in manual and it will be the last BMW ever offered in manual only. It was the first BMW to have the air curtains which now every BMW has them even the M3 and M4. It was the first turbo M car, which now all the M cars are that way. Many don't see it as special because the hype is so high that it sets unrealistic expectations for some, especially when so many BMW fans put more importance on creature comforts and gadgets which are not what the 1M was targeted too. You can see that by the fact that most were ordered fully loaded. Many of the gripes were that many wanted automatic in the 1M and some even griped because there was no light in the vanity mirror in the 1M. Also, most are fixated on numbers and not how a car drives. You see that all day with guys quoting .2 second 0-60 time to completely discount the joy of a manual transmission or saying the M235i is better because it lapped the Ring faster. Sorry, the M235i is a car I could possibly own but not even close to 1M is visceral excitement and driving feel. The 1M was targeted to a smaller audience than any other BMW. Just by the fact that it was manual only with mechanical firm suspension. Every other BMW is targeted at every other type with all sorts of options, self parking, interior colors, comfort suspension, automatic, etc, etc, etc so it's natural that it's not for everyone but it is undeniably a very special car in the BMW lineage. It was the last and final analog masterpiece that BMW created. The new cars like M2 and M3 and M4 will appeal to the masses and will post better numbers but they will not have the character, like it or not, that the 1M has. |
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I even predict that the M2 will be just as good, in fact better then the 1M and we wont see it gaining value over time, simple principle of offer and demand! |
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It's interesting that when looking at most of the negative comments in this thread if I look to the left by the username, and then under that there is the little description that says "Drives:"...and most of them don't drive a 1M....hum, that's weird!
Concerning negative press reviews: If it were possible it would be fun to quantify press opinions on the car...then Randy Pobst, or that terribly painful MotorTrend review would turn into the statistical outliers...as in removed from consideration! I get that you can impress everyone all of the time. But to search for a bad review because you are looking for it? Well, there aren't many to be found. I'm really sorry that someone peed in Randy's Wheaties that morning. He was sad. Concerning RARE but not SPECIAL: That's like saying your girl wouldn't be so beautiful if her face wasn't so pretty. Uhhh? Ok? Part of what makes it special is that IT IS rare. Take a car with a awkward, rushed birth, designed for one major intent concocted by raiding the parts-bin and get (most) everything just perfect, then squeeze production in after hours. All of which combine for a great story! Next achieve by-in-large excellent press reviews and then make it for only one year and what do you get....a SPECIAL car.
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Typo though, it's the N54 motor, not N45 lol |
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20 years from now it will still be special, collectable, and very valuable.
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The guy who sold his 1M for a GT3 gets it. Track the car at high speeds and you immediately begin to witness it's short comings. |
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i certainly give 0 shits about "luxurious" and a powerful torqueless engine. For me 'power' is all about useability, not numbers. the 1M is also a waaaaaaaay better looking car than the frankly ordinary looking E9X M3. The 1M has aggression, imagination, a story, and a frankenstein build behind it; the E9X M3 has none of those qualities, IMO. |
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i definitely agree. i love the E82 in ALL forms, actually.....a throwback to the 'classic' coupe; whereas the E9X was just a generic design.
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...and that's why I chose my words carefully..."MOST" vs. 997 gt3?....apples and oranges, no? Both cars are build for a different purpose. I think most people would agree that the gt3 is a purpose built track car that is road legal. That was not the intention with the 1M.
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