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View Poll Results: 2010 BMW 135i or 2004 Porsche 911 C4S? | |||
2010 BMW 135i | 111 | 65.29% | |
2004 Porsche 911 C4S | 59 | 34.71% | |
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05-21-2010, 10:55 AM | #45 |
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really considered buying one before my 135. great drivers car but extremely claustrophobic inside.
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05-21-2010, 10:57 AM | #46 |
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So i am an avid porsche guy, driving a BMW for a few reasons> mainly cause i love the 135i.
First off, in my opinion you should ONLY purchase a 930, 964, 993 or 997. I have no idea what porsche was thinking when they first released the water cooled engine in the 996...but you couldnt pay to drive one of those...UGLY. 1998-2005 was a bad time for Porsche..so that answers the question about the 2004 C4S.
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05-21-2010, 11:02 AM | #47 |
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So did I with the discounts they were offering at the time. Euro Delivery sealed the deal for the 1er though.
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05-21-2010, 01:28 PM | #48 |
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if you look into the history of the 996, it's really an amazing technical leap for Porsche, but it's clear that it took awhile to iron out the bugs, and the bugs still persisted a little bit in the 997 series. the M96 powerplant has something like 17 technical volumes (the M64 had about 3-5) for the running updates to everything from the cooling system to the RMS.
in the 997s with the latest DI engine, not only is the engine lighter, but it's stiffer and is a design evolution that bypasses some of the 996 teething problems. that's not to say that all 996s have issues, but 10% failure rates on the RMSs were what my local dealership reported. Porsche is great about covering them under warranty, though. my vote would be for a 997, not a 996. |
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05-21-2010, 10:18 PM | #49 |
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This should be good for a laugh:
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04-21-2011, 09:47 PM | #50 |
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It Depends on Intent
I own a 2004 C4S with 40,000 miles and for your purpose, I would choose the 1 series. I drive mine maybe 2 days a week and put 3000 miles a year on it. I just really wanted this Porsche as a third car. For a daily driver, I would definitely prefer the warranty and routine maintenance coverage. I just changed my brakes and rotors myself and it was $900. If you just want a Porsche or can afford a newer Porsche under warranty, go for it. Otherwise, for 40K as a daily driver, go for the BMW. I plan on keeping my car for years and it's not a daily driver. I just feel that it is more of a classic car, and fun, for the long haul. Tenths of seconds 0-60 or or 50-70 are not critical in my decision, although I may track the car at some point. It's all about what you want it for and for how long.
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04-22-2011, 12:34 PM | #51 |
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What jcarraher said is spot on. For a $40K D Driver, I would def. go with a new or newer BMW w/ warranty.
I have owned 3 Porches in my day and even contimplated your exact thread question. After reading endless horror stories (check out rennlist.com) about IMS, RMS, slipping sleeves, porous engine block failures, I quit my search for a 996. If the 996 has no warranty, you could be looking at a $20K engine replacement if any of the above (known issues) would happen. If you are dead set on a Porche 911, get a 993. They still retain the classic roof line of earlier 911's and are sooo pretty. Already a classic too. After test driving a 135i, I was hooked. All in all a great sports coupe! |
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Haven't read the thread but I can't stand the 996 design. Shit this thread is 2 y/o old
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This is my first post as I am picking up my 135i in a few hours. It seems appropriate that I comment on the car that I just sold. All in all the 996 is a great car except for one very serious flaw. It has the M96 engine that is susceptible to catastrophic intermediate shaft bearing failure. Take a look at:
http://www.lnengineering.com/ims.html The IMS gave Porsche so much trouble and they have had to replace so many engines that in 2008 the redesigned the motor without and IMS altogether. Engine failures are so common that most dealers stock at least one complete replacement motor. Edit: I should add that Porsche used completely different engine on the Turbo and GT3 versions of the 996. That motor still used the older 964 block. The Turbos and GT3's are great fantastic cars with very strong engines. |
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05-16-2011, 08:39 AM | #55 |
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996 = unless it is the 996 TT
Thats pretty much all I got, wouldnt even consider it. Find yourself a 997 or 993/964 and now we are talking.
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With Porsche you have to go 2009 or newer. All the pre2009 cars are subject to ims (intermediate shaft bearing failure). The 2009 and later cars have a new design that does not have an IMS.
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05-17-2011, 09:10 AM | #58 |
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I can't believe people are still making comments on a thread that died 2 years ago like this lol
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