More competition coming from VW/Audi group?

Robert · 12-09-2010, 04:06 PM

Just announced VW is bring Golf-R to the states. Now before someone says they are in two different leagues, M car versus VW-R, blasphemy, keep in mind Seglar's words that BMW is creating a M car for the young and this car will definitely be cross shopped. Wanting to hear you opinions on this.

http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publi...cle_2831.shtml

eugegall · 12-09-2010, 04:09 PM

That thing IS NOT a competitor. Been out in the UK and is terrible

as7920 · 12-09-2010, 04:30 PM

I wouldn't necessarily say they are direct competition but certainly alternatives though is there any comparison?

Funny but I am considering the Golf R and Scirocco R as alternatives to the 1M because they have the same number of seats and are similar markets. Both the Golf and Scirocco look more up to date and wont be superseded by a new model in a years time.

But i have always wanted an M not an R or an RS so hopefully the 1M won't disappoint.

Mprofiler · 12-09-2010, 04:31 PM

I would consider the rs3 more of a competition. Similarly priced and spec'ed. I wish they brought the rs3 over so I could test drive both and see which one is better.

eugegall · 12-09-2010, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by as7920

I wouldn't necessarily say they are direct competition but certainly alternatives though is there any comparison?

Funny but I am considering the Golf R and Scirocco R as alternatives to the 1M because they have the same number of seats and are similar markets. Both the Golf and Scirocco look more up to date and wont be superseded by a new model in a years time.

But i have always wanted an M not an R or an RS so hopefully the 1M won't disappoint.

Not long now

Greenkirby21 · 12-09-2010, 04:40 PM

I could see the comparisons, but in reality not really. I would think of it more vs the 135i.

The GTI VS 128i(200 hp vs 230hp)
Golf R vs 135i. (275+awd vs 306 hp)

edit: then, as many have stated

RS3 vs 1M

Funny however, that they have chosen to make the Golf R manual transmission in the US, similar to the 1M

as7920 · 12-09-2010, 04:40 PM

Am also considering RS3 but it's looks/model is more outdated than 1er and dealer asked for £2k deposit which I wasn't able to justify!

RimasRS · 12-09-2010, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by as7920

I wouldn't necessarily say they are direct competition but certainly alternatives though is there any comparison?

Funny but I am considering the Golf R and Scirocco R as alternatives to the 1M because they have the same number of seats and are similar markets. Both the Golf and Scirocco look more up to date and wont be superseded by a new model in a years time.

But i have always wanted an M not an R or an RS so hopefully the 1M won't disappoint.

Just Scirocco don't have 4 motion and it is slower than GOLF

as7920 · 12-09-2010, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RimasRS

Just Scirocco don't have 4 motion and it is slower than GOLF

No indeed but it outdrove the 300bhp Focus RS according to Autocar comparison and it looks great. Shame inside is based on older Golf.

MikesBMW · 12-09-2010, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert

those seat bolsters are aggressive!

swanny71 · 12-09-2010, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by eugegall

That thing IS NOT a competitor. Been out in the UK and is terrible

Bollox!

Golf R's are very, very good. Had them on my short list (along with RS4, C2S, Focus RS and 370z) before deciding on the M3.

eugegall · 12-09-2010, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by swanny71

Bollox!

Golf R's are very, very good. Had them on my short list (along with RS4, C2S, Focus RS and 370z) before deciding on the M3.

Have you seen them? Its ok if you want to spend £43 on a car that looks like it cost £15

swanny71 · 12-09-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by eugegall

Have you seen them? Its ok if you want to spend £43 on a car that looks like it cost £15

Seen and test drove two of them - liked them a lot but at £40k a lightly used M3 was the obvious choice.

RimasRS · 12-09-2010, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by swanny71

Seen and test drove two of them - liked them a lot but at £40k a lightly used M3 was the obvious choice.

Yea right they would be the best if you would not try M3

eugegall · 12-09-2010, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by eugegall

Have you seen them? Its ok if you want to spend £43 on a car that looks like it cost £15

Right so were arguing the same point?

I do this with my girlfriend all the time!!

Pete_vB · 12-09-2010, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert

Just announced VW is bring Golf-R to the states. Now before someone says they are in two different leagues, M car versus VW-R, blasphemy, keep in mind Seglar's words that BMW is creating a M car for the young and this car will definitely be cross shopped.

They will certainly be cross-shopped- I am. The R and the 1M are on my short list for my next daily driver, Cayman R is an outsider...

I think the R is a good package overall, more practical than the M but not as nice a drive. The R is more of a swiss-army-knife car; it does a little bit of everything. Of course I own an R32 so I'm biased, but I've also owned an E46 M3 and a bunch of other stuff, porsches mostly, and the new R still makes my short list.

Leaning towards the 1M assuming pricing is as expected.

Alpine* · 12-09-2010, 06:00 PM

I have a 3 door Golf R on order, with Recaros. The first thing to do when it arrives is a $1500 APR tune and bingo, 240kws (up from 188 in Australian tune).

I have also placed an order on a 1M. I would NOT shop these cars, the Golf R is a AU$60k car and the 1M is likely to be close to double that here. The 1M is more likely an RS3 competitor, also expected to be >AU$100k in Aus.

as7920 · 12-09-2010, 06:04 PM

Pricing will be key here for me.

If 1M works out expensive > £40k then R and RS3 come into play more but initial hints are that 1M pricing will be pleasantly surprising.

Itanius · 12-09-2010, 06:11 PM

The Golf-R and 1M are definitely not competitors.

eugegall · 12-09-2010, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Itanius

The Golf-R and 1M are definitely not competitors.

Finally someone talks sense

as7920 · 12-09-2010, 06:46 PM

Well if I heard correct and loaded 1M comes in at £45k then I could be out.
Will have to see how leasing companies take to it.
Hope for good residuals!

As I said, Golf R and Scirocco R at £35k will come into play.

There is always the RS3 @ £40k LOL.

eugegall · 12-09-2010, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by as7920

Well if I heard correct and loaded 1M comes in at £45k then I could be out.
Will have to see how leasing companies take to it.
Hope for good residuals!

As I said, Golf R and Scirocco R at £35k will come into play.

There is always the RS3 @ £40k LOL.

What do you think the 3/4 year residuals will be? £21k, £19k respectively

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as7920 Colonel 597 Rep 2,375 Posts Drives: 2023 SG/FR M4 xDrive Competiti Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	I wouldn't necessarily say they are direct competition but certainly alternatives though is there any comparison? Funny but I am considering the Golf R and Scirocco R as alternatives to the 1M because they have the same number of seats and are similar markets. Both the Golf and Scirocco look more up to date and wont be superseded by a new model in a years time. But i have always wanted an M not an R or an RS so hopefully the 1M won't disappoint.
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Mprofiler Second Lieutenant 54 Rep 204 Posts Drives: audi Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Cali iTrader: (0)	I would consider the rs3 more of a competition. Similarly priced and spec'ed. I wish they brought the rs3 over so I could test drive both and see which one is better.
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Greenkirby21 Vrooom :) 314 Rep 2,602 Posts Drives: C7 Stringray Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Dream Land iTrader: (1)	I could see the comparisons, but in reality not really. I would think of it more vs the 135i. The GTI VS 128i(200 hp vs 230hp) Golf R vs 135i. (275+awd vs 306 hp) edit: then, as many have stated RS3 vs 1M Funny however, that they have chosen to make the Golf R manual transmission in the US, similar to the 1M __________________ 2014 C7 Corvette Stringray - Laguna Blue - NPP Exhaust - Competition Seats
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Alpine* Brigadier General 1282 Rep 4,093 Posts Drives: M2 G87 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Australia iTrader: (0)	I have a 3 door Golf R on order, with Recaros. The first thing to do when it arrives is a $1500 APR tune and bingo, 240kws (up from 188 in Australian tune). I have also placed an order on a 1M. I would NOT shop these cars, the Golf R is a AU$60k car and the 1M is likely to be close to double that here. The 1M is more likely an RS3 competitor, also expected to be >AU$100k in Aus.
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as7920 Colonel 597 Rep 2,375 Posts Drives: 2023 SG/FR M4 xDrive Competiti Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	Pricing will be key here for me. If 1M works out expensive > £40k then R and RS3 come into play more but initial hints are that 1M pricing will be pleasantly surprising.
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Itanius Lieutenant 8 Rep 567 Posts Drives: Silver Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: OR iTrader: (4)	The Golf-R and 1M are definitely not competitors. __________________ 2008 AW 135i (sold)
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as7920 Colonel 597 Rep 2,375 Posts Drives: 2023 SG/FR M4 xDrive Competiti Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	Well if I heard correct and loaded 1M comes in at £45k then I could be out. Will have to see how leasing companies take to it. Hope for good residuals! As I said, Golf R and Scirocco R at £35k will come into play. There is always the RS3 @ £40k LOL.
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