have you seen the dreaded HPFP? if not come in here ...

[m7ammed]

Well had my software updated in a recall last week, still didn't make long cranks go away so they finally replaced it. Took some pics of it on my Blackberry Bold 9000 (not the best camera) ... this small damn thing has caused so much trouble for so many N54 owners

[cagekicker]

that little bastard!!!

[NewYearsBoy]

I hope u dont work in that nice Polo shirt... Haha.. Nice Pic..

[JB135MDCT]

Can you take it apart and snap some better pics? Maybe we can figure it out and help out them overworked Beamer engineers.

[JB135MDCT]

Originally Posted by TrackRat

The search option is your friend... BTW, in the U.S. it's Bimmer engineers for autos and Beamer engineers for those 2-wheeled touring machines.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...light=HPFP+pic

Excusa my typo, I was on the k75 today. If you don't know, it's a Beamer. Thanks for the shortcut, or thread or whatever.

[m7ammed]

Originally Posted by JB135MDCT

Can you take it apart and snap some better pics? Maybe we can figure it out and help out them overworked Beamer engineers.

can't as BMW takes the part cause it replaced under warranty, I just asked them if I could take pics of the thing

[Sylon]

My question is, why is this fuel pump notoriously failing all the time, but other pumps in other cars across the manufacturer spectrum not? What is Mercedes, Audi, Toyota, Subaru, Ford, Honda, Chevy, etc all doing right that BMW is doing wrong?

[m7ammed]

Originally Posted by Sylon

My question is, why is this fuel pump notoriously failing all the time, but other pumps in other cars across the manufacturer spectrum not? What is Mercedes, Audi, Toyota, Subaru, Ford, Honda, Chevy, etc all doing right that BMW is doing wrong?

The dealer let me read the recall paper that BMW sent them, and it said it had something to do with ethanol levels in the fuel or something. I don't know if our fuel in Saudi has ethanol though.

[Evice]

Originally Posted by m7ammed

The dealer let me read the recall paper that BMW sent them, and it said it had something to do with ethanol levels in the fuel or something. I don't know if our fuel in Saudi has ethanol though.

You have american gas, so likely. You drill it out, they pack it, refine it, and sell it

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by Evice

You have american gas, so likely. You drill it out, they pack it, refine it, and sell it

Ethanol and other additives are added whebthe gas is going into the tanker trucks to be shipped to the gas stations...he doesn't have American gas :facepalm:

[TMR013]

Originally Posted by m7ammed

The dealer let me read the recall paper that BMW sent them, and it said it had something to do with ethanol levels in the fuel or something. I don't know if our fuel in Saudi has ethanol though.

Don't say that too loudly. The HPFP conspirests will have a field day explaining to you that is just a bunch of bull from BMW. And BMW just wants to save a few bucks and watch us all die horrible deaths because of our failing fuel pumps.

[GaryS]

Originally Posted by m7ammed

I don't know if our fuel in Saudi has ethanol though.

I really doubt it, unless there are a lot of corn and sugarcane fields in Saudi Arabia.

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by TMR013

Don't say that too loudly. The HPFP conspirators will have a field day explaining to you that is just a bunch of bull from BMW. And BMW just wants to save a few bucks and watch us all die horrible deaths because of our failing fuel pumps.

Haha, so very true. As an example, we only have E10 fuel here in CO and my car has been good so far in 15K miles. I think someone on here mentioned that they only use non ethanol fuel and is on his 4th HPFP. I wonder if the public will ever know the root cause.

[roscoe]

Originally Posted by m7ammed

The dealer let me read the recall paper that BMW sent them, and it said it had something to do with ethanol levels in the fuel or something. I don't know if our fuel in Saudi has ethanol though.

It would make sense. My HPFP failed the other week after 29,000 miles. I put in Sunoco 94 about 80% of the time. The 94 is about 10% ethanol...

Or maybe that's just a convenient scapegoat, I dunno. All I know is the HPFP issue on N54 engines is a very real, very bad problem affecting thousands of BMW customers. They need to fix this once and for all.

[Nifty]

Originally Posted by m7ammed

The dealer let me read the recall paper that BMW sent them, and it said it had something to do with ethanol levels in the fuel or something. I don't know if our fuel in Saudi has ethanol though.

Since I have been running ethanol free 93oct gas since I've had my car and it is currently sitting in the shop (Poor thing has been there for 14 days while they run test after test) to have a its 4th HPFP put in in 12,000 miles, I feel I can safely say ethanol is not the culprit.

[Phased]

Poor bastard. I don't quite see how that thing would really care what type of fuel it is pumping unless they have different viscosity or something. But I have had check engine lights in warm weather when using high ethanol fuel.

[Absorber]

Originally Posted by Nifty

Since I have been running ethanol free 93oct gas since I've had my car and it is currently sitting in the shop (Poor thing has been there for 14 days while they run test after test) to have a its 4th HPFP put in in 12,000 miles, I feel I can safely say ethanol is not the culprit.

Just curious, but how are you sure it was ethanol free? Other than the fact that it was probably labeled as such on the pump, what guarantee do you have that someone didn't accidentally add it to a tanker on it's way to your gas station?

[Absorber]

Originally Posted by TrackRat

Alcohols may exacerbate the HPFP issue but they are not the root cause as countless BMW N54 owners around the globe who have used fuel with no alcohol content have experienced HPFP failures. BMW has been using that excuse for five model years.

http://www.surveymethods.com/preview...F1FAB3A3A5F6B5

Ethanol additives are quickly growing throughout Europe and Asia and have actually had a presence in Europe for years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel#Europe

[Nifty]

Originally Posted by Absorber

Just curious, but how are you sure it was ethanol free? Other than the fact that it was probably labeled as such on the pump, what guarantee do you have that someone didn't accidentally add it to a tanker on it's way to your gas station?

Well the short answer is that I don't know for sure. I know that quite a few car club members will only fill up at that station for the 0% ethanol content and that at one time they had the gas tested to confirm that.

Now that I think about, since my car is is still in shop right now and they've had it for about two weeks trying to figure out what the problem is, it's highly likely that they tested the fuel as part of the trouble shooting process. Next time I talk to the service manager I'll see if he has any results.

[BrokenVert]

Somebody should use these pictures to make an hpfp Halloween costume...now that would be scary

[JB135MDCT]

Originally Posted by Nifty

Since I have been running ethanol free 93oct gas since I've had my car and it is currently sitting in the shop (Poor thing has been there for 14 days while they run test after test) to have a its 4th HPFP put in in 12,000 miles, I feel I can safely say ethanol is not the culprit.

Who sells ethanol free in USA? Can't find any in MD.