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      02-16-2010, 11:53 PM   #1
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New Moton dampers

Bimmerworld just put up a listing for a new Moton kit. It is not yet available.

Looks cool. Single adjustable, but same internals/pistons as their motorsport dampers. Not sure if the price includes springs....

http://store.bimmerworld.com/shared/...t=products.asp
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Bimmerworld just put up a listing for a new Moton kit. It is not yet available.

Looks cool. Single adjustable, but same internals/pistons as their motorsport dampers. Not sure if the price includes springs....

http://store.bimmerworld.com/shared/...t=products.asp
It's just for dampers. Swift springs would be about $500 with thrust sheets but I'm not sure if the lengths or diameters are correct. I will contact Bimmerworld...
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This link will work for you - http://store.bimmerworld.com/Product1333

Price is dampers and hardware only. You can add springs, rear mounts, and rear spring adjusters for about $475. Camber plates not required but are $259 extra.

We will have a kit listed shortly to make this easier for customers - just haven't had time to make the listing yet.
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Does this kit have the same design as the M3 kit which is suffering issues?

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=324486
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No. The MSS2 for the E9X M3 is a double, twin-tube damper - the oddity in Moton's line. It will be corrected shortly and will be an awesome piece, but not the same as these.

The singles are a MSS1 and while they are a Street Sport line damper, that basically describes cost level more than anything. This is the same monotube single that the Motorsport uses, just without the remote reservoir that Motorsport doubles and triples ($6-8k) use for the additional compression adjustments.
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Will Moton be able to custom build the rear shocks so they can be mounted to fit on the M3 camber arm. I haven't done any testing but the 135/335 lower rear shock mounts look really flimsy...

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      02-22-2010, 05:42 PM   #7
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Will Moton be able to custom build the rear shocks so they can be mounted to fit on the M3 camber arm.
I have been told via my local Moton retailer that they can build them with M3 camber link compatible lower mounts. I will be calling Moton to confirm though...
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Sorry - late on this. No real plans to make them work with the M3 mount at this point. It would require a different shaft (shorter) to them use the eye mount. The whole reason we are able to make these at this price is volume, which a different shaft would not allow.
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Sorry - late on this. No real plans to make them work with the M3 mount at this point. It would require a different shaft (shorter) to them use the eye mount. The whole reason we are able to make these at this price is volume, which a different shaft would not allow.
Dang! Well, thanks for looking into it for me. I'm using the M3 mounts with my current aftermarket shocks. I want to upgrade to moton or jrz in the future but not if I have to go back to my old mounts.
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We are pretty crafty. When it is time to buy, let me know and I feel pretty sure we can make something.
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I'm ready to buy now. Here's my shopping list:

Moton street sport dampers
Rear strut adapted to fit the E92 lower camber arm (IE horizontal pin solid mount, as opposed to the vertical rubber bushing on the 135i/335i)
450/800 spring rates, preferably Swift springs
Potentially Moton camber plates if they will not be noisy.
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      02-24-2010, 11:31 AM   #12
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The front springs are too stiff IMO and out of balance with the rears. I'd go with 325 lbs. in the front if you want to keep the 800 lb. rears.
Please post your calculations.
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      02-24-2010, 12:17 PM   #13
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I based my selection on Orb and Harold's research. See this post: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=34

Was also considering 400 up front, but I think that would be the softest I'd want to go.
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I'm ready to buy now. Here's my shopping list:

Moton street sport dampers
Rear strut adapted to fit the E92 lower camber arm (IE horizontal pin solid mount, as opposed to the vertical rubber bushing on the 135i/335i)
450/800 spring rates, preferably Swift springs
Potentially Moton camber plates if they will not be noisy.
Then send me an email and I will get working on it.

Notes:
  • We will NOT be making a horizontal mount for the strut - we would likely make a mount to allow use of the vertical pin shaft the way Moton is producing them
  • We can provide the dampers with the 2.25"/60mm perches, but if purchased from us, we use Hyperco springs - sourcing other brands will place fitment responsibility on the customer
  • Moton camber plates again use the 2.25"/60mm mount included with the dampers and do not add noise in my experience due to the bearing quality used
  • On our One Lap 135, I used 800/1200# springs. As the rate comes down, I tendd to go with a little less rear percentage. Calculations will tell you something, but experience will likely be the better guide

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Then send me an email and I will get working on it.

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What kind of timeline are we talking about? I've got to be rolling for April...
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Dampers are sitting here, but the email and order isn't yet

I can put an M3 on the lift tomorrow while we are doing some other work on it and likely draw up the part and make it fairly quickly.
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Haha, alright. I'll email you tomorrow James.
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Dampers are sitting here, but the email and order isn't yet

I can put an M3 on the lift tomorrow while we are doing some other work on it and likely draw up the part and make it fairly quickly.
Oooohhh! Post some pictures of the part when you get it built. I'd probably want go ahead and buy it from you now, but I'm not ready to buy dampers for 12 or so months.

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Running 430/600 on my car and the ride quality is good on the street. It'll be interesting to see how 800 in the rear works out for folks....

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Running 430/600 on my car and the ride quality is good on the street. It'll be interesting to see how 800 in the rear works out for folks....

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I'm running 400/800 on my car and love it!! Can't wait to hear impressions from some of you guys trying these motons.
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Not sure if the numbers that Orb posted were for the 135 but Orb has done a lot of work on the 3 series and knows what he is talking about so you can go with his suggestions IF they actually apply to the 135 - noting that the 450/800 combo he suggests is to improve pitch for high speed track use. If you're planning more street use then track a 350/800 combo might be better as it will still be plenty stiff.

As Orb says it's all a compromise. If the rear subframe bushings won't handle a higher rear spring rate to match the front then you're stuck with fudge factors to try and compensate for other short comings of the suspension. A stiffer rear ARB might also help the balance with the stiff front rates. A lot depends on what the suspension bushings do with the increased spring rates as far as deformation under lateral load.

You might want to PM Orb and confirm that the numbers he listed are applicable to the 135 and your intended use - as the weight and distribution is different on the 135 .
I'm doing the full E92 M3 conversion: bushings, links, and I'd like to do the rear camber arm if I can procure a balanced, quality suspension system to fit it in the 135i. (Yes I realize there are subtle weight variations between the E92 and E82)

I'm intrigued by the fact that you now say 350/800 or 450/800 might be reasonable. Wouldn't you think that the balance should remain relatively constant, with both front and rear spring rates adjusted accordingly? Not just the front...
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Update - it looks liek we will be able to modify the damper to accept the M3-style mounting. Now who wants to be a guinea pig?
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