Problem Resolved

SpaceGhost · 12-11-2013, 07:15 PM

Hey all,

PROBLEM RESOLVED: They shipped an ET 35 wheel in an ET 45 box. Waiting for replacement now.

As the topic says, I got my Eurotek LMs put on today. They are the BMW 135 specific fitment. (2010 135 sport suspension)

After they were installed, I noted that the driver side rear tire stuck out more then the passenger rear (by almost an inch). The tire shop (Discount Tire double checked the install and all was as it should be. The thought was a suspension anomaly.

My 2011 Mustang had the same issue but that had a solid axle and a panhard bar which could be adjusted to "center" the rear wheels on the car.

Can someone tell me what I can do to correct the driver side rear extension? I know if I go to my dealer they will poo poo the after market wheels instead of addressing the issue.

Please help. My car is just about undriveable.

Thanks

Dafttt · 12-11-2013, 07:34 PM

Is it safe to assume your offsets are correct, your tires sizes match, and suspension/camber were fine prior to putting on new wheels?

An inch is quite a lot. What are you offsets and wheels specs btw?

P90Puma · 12-11-2013, 07:53 PM

The smart thing to do here would be to pull off the wheels and measure them or just inspect to see that they

1. are matching
2. have the correct offset

Not sure how asking HELP! here will help you beyond that.

SpaceGhost · 12-11-2013, 08:14 PM

The wheels are 18x9.5 et 45 running Michelin PSS2 255/30

Guys at Tire Rack validated that left and right have same specs

Was curious if there was a suspension adjustment that would kick one wheel out like that. The camber appears (eyeballing it on a level surface) to be the same right vs left but what the hell do I know. That is why I asked for help from folks who are more familiar with suspensions

I noticed no suspension or camber issues prior to putting on the wheels but I had stock wheels and they weren't as wide and therefore would not have caused an issue like rubbing even if they were off to the same degree as the new wheels.

If I don't get it corrected tomorrow, I will try to get pics in the daylight. It was dark when the wheels finally got put on.

Thanks for your time

P90Puma · 12-11-2013, 08:22 PM

ET 45 is almost 20mm off what APEX recommends on an 18x9.5 on the rear!

SpaceGhost · 12-11-2013, 08:36 PM

It is not an uncommon et for folks on stock suspension from what I have read on here and that particular wheel has been purchased and run by several members at both stock and lowered height without rubbing.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=577166

I think something is truly off. I will have the guys at Tire Rack re-measure the wheels again tomorrow to make sure they are they same and start playing detective to see what the issue is I guess.

I do appreciate the input and I would definitely go with Apex if I were tracking my car. Nice choice.

Dafttt · 12-11-2013, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SpaceGhost

The wheels are 18x9.5 et 45 running Michelin PSS2 255/30

What are your fronts? Total speculation but you might be running a front wheel on the rear.

Again, is it wheel poke or tire poke?

Either way, it doesn't sound like a suspension problem. I honestly think it's the wheel/tire combo.

Quote:

Originally Posted by P90Puma

ET 45 is almost 20mm off what APEX recommends on an 18x9.5 on the rear!

I run et40 on the rear, but 8.5".

Dafttt · 12-11-2013, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpaceGhost

It is not an uncommon et for folks on stock suspension from what I have read on here and that particular wheel has been purchased and run by several members at both stock and lowered height without rubbing.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=577166

I think something is truly off. I will have the guys at Tire Rack re-measure the wheels again tomorrow to make sure they are they same and start playing detective to see what the issue is I guess.

I do appreciate the input and I would definitely go with Apex if I were tracking my car. Nice choice.

Ah, I see. 18x8.5 et45 and 18x9.5 et45. Maybe you have one size too many or two misplaced. Either that or a 25mm spacer on the right from a disgruntled tire employee.

SpaceGhost · 12-11-2013, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daft Auto

Ah, I see. 18x8.5 et45 and 18x9.5 et45. Maybe you have one size too many or two misplaced. Either that or a 25mm spacer on the right from a disgruntled tire employee.

Ha Ha. No disgruntled employees. LOL We will check it all again tomorrow. It is def a rear wheel as evidenced by the lip vs the front.

I think I will have them swap the driver rear to the passenger rear tomorrow and see if it pokes. If it pokes, it is the wheel. If it doesn't it has to be the suspension.

That is the most objective way to distinguish the cause that I can think of.

Thanks guys

Dafttt · 12-11-2013, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpaceGhost

I think I will have them swap the driver rear to the passenger rear tomorrow and see if it pokes. If it pokes, it is the wheel. If it doesn't it has to be the suspension.

That is the most objective way to distinguish the cause that I can think of.

I agree, I think that's your best route.

They could've either mismatched the wheels OR tires front and rear, so check accordingly. Meaning you could be running a stretched 225 tire on the rear with a 255 on the right. It would give the illusion of wheel poke on one side and tire poke on the other.

Best of luck. Update this thread when it's fixed, I'm curious about this one.

SpaceGhost · 12-11-2013, 09:44 PM

Will do. Let's hope it is an easy fix.

Pyrat 2 · 12-12-2013, 06:53 AM

swap the left and right rears and if the poke moves then you have a different wheel offset.

Dackelone · 12-12-2013, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P90Puma

ET 45 is almost 20mm off what APEX recommends on an 18x9.5 on the rear!

1 inch is 25mm's.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeelToe

swap the left and right rears and if the poke moves then you have a different wheel offset.

^^+1.

TheSt|G · 12-12-2013, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpaceGhost

I do appreciate the input and I would definitely go with Apex if I were tracking my car. Nice choice.

APEX is a good choice either way. Street use is hard on wheels.

Blacksport · 12-12-2013, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpaceGhost

Hey all,

As the topic says, I got my Eurotek LMs put on today. They are the BMW 135 specific fitment. (2010 135 sport suspension)

After they were installed, I noted that the driver side rear tire stuck out more then the passenger rear (by almost an inch). The tire shop (Discount Tire double checked the install and all was as it should be. The thought was a suspension anomaly.

My 2011 Mustang had the same issue but that had a solid axle and a panhard bar which could be adjusted to "center" the rear wheels on the car.

Can someone tell me what I can do to correct the driver side rear extension? I know if I go to my dealer they will poo poo the after market wheels instead of addressing the issue.

Please help. My car is just about undriveable.

Thanks

Do the easy stuff first....take the rears off, lay a straight edge across the inside of the tire and measure the distance to the hub. That will immediately tell you if the wheels have a different offset. Don't go by what Tire Rack or anyone else says...measure the wheels yourself.

Zombie1 · 12-12-2013, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P90Puma

ET 45 is almost 20mm off what APEX recommends on an 18x9.5 on the rear!

I have VMRs 705s in that fitment on PSS without issue and I'm an inch lower

Freon · 12-12-2013, 02:00 PM

ET45 can work in the rear, but you just are limited to ~255mm tires at best depending on the tire, and even then you are really pushing it. The ET58-62 guys can run 265-285mm.

My guess would be you got one wheel with the wrong offset. Probably ET25-35 or something. I don't know how the suspension would be so off that it would stick out so noticeably. You'd have to have had serious body damage. You'd also have noticed it before with previous wheels.

This would take 10 minutes if you had a jack, 17mm socket, tape meature, and a torque wrench to pull the wheel off and measure the backspacing as suggested above. It is easy enough to calculate offset from that. (backspace - (wheelwidth*0.5)), multiply by 25.4 to convert inches to mm.

At least if you go back to TR to have them swap actually look at the wheel. The offset should be printed or engraved on it somewhere, probably the mounting surface for the wheel where it meets the hub. Or ask them to measure backspacing for you. Takes 30 seconds to check once the wheel is off.

SpaceGhost · 12-13-2013, 09:01 PM

All....

I did exactly what was suggested. We swapped the rears and the issues moved with the wheel. Upon inspection of the back of the wheel, we found they had boxed up a ET35 wheel in an Et45 box and sent it.

When the guys originally "checked" the wheels, they checked the boxes. The boxes had the right measurement but one of the wheels was incorrect.

Thanks guys. Waiting for replacements now. Lesson learned. Always check for myself. For what it's worth, the guys at Discount have been very helpful and have worked very hard to get this resolved without inconveniencing me more than necessary.

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SpaceGhost Lieutenant 127 Rep 548 Posts Drives: 2022 M240i xdrive Join Date: May 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas iTrader: (0)	Problem Resolved Hey all, PROBLEM RESOLVED: They shipped an ET 35 wheel in an ET 45 box. Waiting for replacement now. As the topic says, I got my Eurotek LMs put on today. They are the BMW 135 specific fitment. (2010 135 sport suspension) After they were installed, I noted that the driver side rear tire stuck out more then the passenger rear (by almost an inch). The tire shop (Discount Tire double checked the install and all was as it should be. The thought was a suspension anomaly. My 2011 Mustang had the same issue but that had a solid axle and a panhard bar which could be adjusted to "center" the rear wheels on the car. Can someone tell me what I can do to correct the driver side rear extension? I know if I go to my dealer they will poo poo the after market wheels instead of addressing the issue. Please help. My car is just about undriveable. Thanks Last edited by SpaceGhost; 12-13-2013 at 11:16 PM..
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Dafttt Captain 33 Rep 691 Posts Drives: 128i 6MT Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Malibu iTrader: (0)	Is it safe to assume your offsets are correct, your tires sizes match, and suspension/camber were fine prior to putting on new wheels? An inch is quite a lot. What are you offsets and wheels specs btw?
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P90Puma Would rather be driving. 12 Rep 175 Posts Drives: 2008 135i 6MT M-Sport Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Ontario, Canada iTrader: (1)	The smart thing to do here would be to pull off the wheels and measure them or just inspect to see that they 1. are matching 2. have the correct offset Not sure how asking HELP! here will help you beyond that. __________________ 135i JB4 w/ BMS Flash
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SpaceGhost Lieutenant 127 Rep 548 Posts Drives: 2022 M240i xdrive Join Date: May 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas iTrader: (0)	The wheels are 18x9.5 et 45 running Michelin PSS2 255/30 Guys at Tire Rack validated that left and right have same specs Was curious if there was a suspension adjustment that would kick one wheel out like that. The camber appears (eyeballing it on a level surface) to be the same right vs left but what the hell do I know. That is why I asked for help from folks who are more familiar with suspensions I noticed no suspension or camber issues prior to putting on the wheels but I had stock wheels and they weren't as wide and therefore would not have caused an issue like rubbing even if they were off to the same degree as the new wheels. If I don't get it corrected tomorrow, I will try to get pics in the daylight. It was dark when the wheels finally got put on. Thanks for your time
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P90Puma Would rather be driving. 12 Rep 175 Posts Drives: 2008 135i 6MT M-Sport Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Ontario, Canada iTrader: (1)	ET 45 is almost 20mm off what APEX recommends on an 18x9.5 on the rear! __________________ 135i JB4 w/ BMS Flash
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SpaceGhost Lieutenant 127 Rep 548 Posts Drives: 2022 M240i xdrive Join Date: May 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas iTrader: (0)	It is not an uncommon et for folks on stock suspension from what I have read on here and that particular wheel has been purchased and run by several members at both stock and lowered height without rubbing. http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=577166 I think something is truly off. I will have the guys at Tire Rack re-measure the wheels again tomorrow to make sure they are they same and start playing detective to see what the issue is I guess. I do appreciate the input and I would definitely go with Apex if I were tracking my car. Nice choice.
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SpaceGhost Lieutenant 127 Rep 548 Posts Drives: 2022 M240i xdrive Join Date: May 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas iTrader: (0)	Will do. Let's hope it is an easy fix.
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Freon Major 81 Rep 1,051 Posts Drives: 2009 135i Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Indianapolis iTrader: (3)	ET45 can work in the rear, but you just are limited to ~255mm tires at best depending on the tire, and even then you are really pushing it. The ET58-62 guys can run 265-285mm. My guess would be you got one wheel with the wrong offset. Probably ET25-35 or something. I don't know how the suspension would be so off that it would stick out so noticeably. You'd have to have had serious body damage. You'd also have noticed it before with previous wheels. This would take 10 minutes if you had a jack, 17mm socket, tape meature, and a torque wrench to pull the wheel off and measure the backspacing as suggested above. It is easy enough to calculate offset from that. (backspace - (wheelwidth*0.5)), multiply by 25.4 to convert inches to mm. At least if you go back to TR to have them swap actually look at the wheel. The offset should be printed or engraved on it somewhere, probably the mounting surface for the wheel where it meets the hub. Or ask them to measure backspacing for you. Takes 30 seconds to check once the wheel is off. __________________ 2009 BMW 135i 6MT Sport, AFE intake, Cobb AP, Apex 18x8.5+9.5, 255/275 PSS
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SpaceGhost Lieutenant 127 Rep 548 Posts Drives: 2022 M240i xdrive Join Date: May 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas iTrader: (0)	All.... I did exactly what was suggested. We swapped the rears and the issues moved with the wheel. Upon inspection of the back of the wheel, we found they had boxed up a ET35 wheel in an Et45 box and sent it. When the guys originally "checked" the wheels, they checked the boxes. The boxes had the right measurement but one of the wheels was incorrect. Thanks guys. Waiting for replacements now. Lesson learned. Always check for myself. For what it's worth, the guys at Discount have been very helpful and have worked very hard to get this resolved without inconveniencing me more than necessary.
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