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      02-25-2009, 01:59 PM   #1
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Interesting video 135i vs Evo X vs new Ford Focus RS

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http://motoring.sky.com/features/vid...iple-test.aspx

I still prefer the 135i - but I would do really.

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      02-25-2009, 02:15 PM   #2
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nice vid... i love the RS styling
too bad US will never see it
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      02-25-2009, 02:19 PM   #3
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i love the RS styling
too bad US will never see it

That RS is.....
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      02-25-2009, 02:34 PM   #4
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I've had two of these cars and love both for different reasons. I would love to try an RS!
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      02-25-2009, 03:36 PM   #5
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Wow that ford RS looks hot.. and sounds amazing.. hmmm.. ya change the 135is susp then itll score more points.. compared to these 2 rally inspired cars..
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      02-25-2009, 05:17 PM   #6
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After watching lots of top gear it really gets painful to watch other videos.
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      02-25-2009, 10:32 PM   #7
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After watching lots of top gear it really gets painful to watch other videos.
make that 5th geart as well since I watch both. Ya you miss the high quality production value eh
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      02-26-2009, 07:57 AM   #8
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      02-26-2009, 08:52 AM   #9
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owned theoriginal focus rs a few years ago pushing 285bhp that was probably the most fun ive ever had in a car although totally different to the 1. now i wish i had waited for the new RS!!! sound awesome looks mad. still lovin the 135i but 2 totally different cars in a sense i suppose!!
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      02-26-2009, 09:38 AM   #10
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I sounded like the 135 would have won if they weren't on a rally stage.
EVO mag. also said the FQ was a pita to live with. Something like "Not a lot to like".
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      02-26-2009, 09:52 AM   #11
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I sounded like the 135 would have won if they weren't on a rally stage.
EVO mag. also said the FQ was a pita to live with. Something like "Not a lot to like".
Are you kidding? It was on the street.

I still don't know why Ford refuses to sell the RS here.
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      02-26-2009, 11:49 AM   #12
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The focus is pretty sick. Green racing seats!
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      02-26-2009, 12:14 PM   #13
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the R.S sounds and looks good!
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      02-26-2009, 12:30 PM   #14
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I still don't know why Ford refuses to sell the RS here.
That one is easy. It would chew up and crap out their vaunted pony car that has double the cylinders. Ford can't take that kind of marketing hit. Rednecks want their live axle Rustang GT to be the fastest car in the trailer park.
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make the focus a coupe (not a hatch) and make it rwd and i would be all over it. hatchback + fwd FTL in my opinion. i really don't understand how these guys were rating the cars. looks are subjective so they should have left that out (and thats what they seemed to like the most about the RS). they raved about the engine in the BMW but that didn't seem to have significant sway on scoring. also, the 135i is too smooth? its about how well the car handles, not how bumpy it is when driving; do these guys like bumpy? if they do, i'll take them for a ride in my S2000. feels like you're in an earthquake when you're on a bumpy road. maybe it would've won!

edit: just checked the specs on the RS and it has a turbocharged Inline-5 motor making 301bhp. and it goes from 0-62mph in 5.9 secs? these guys chose the RS because of its looks, not power. they even agreed that the car "pushes" in turns, so i guess they didn't take that into consideration when they chose the RS.
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I still don't know why Ford refuses to sell the RS here.
It would be too expensive (it's made on the new Focus platform that's not available in the US) - at $30k or more, who would pick a FWD hatchback over the 370Z, Genesis Coupe, R32 etc. RS badge has zero cachet here.

Not to mention, it would get it's ass handed to it by all these RWD or AWD cars in any performance metric.


It's pretty, it's quick, it sounds amazing but that's about it.
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That one is easy. It would chew up and crap out their vaunted pony car that has double the cylinders. Ford can't take that kind of marketing hit. Rednecks want their live axle Rustang GT to be the fastest car in the trailer park.
I'm not sure about that. The mustang followers will always be there, it could have opened up a new market for Ford.



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It would be too expensive (it's made on the new Focus platform that's not available in the US) - at $30k or more, who would pick a FWD hatchback over the 370Z, Genesis Coupe, R32 etc. RS badge has zero cachet here.

Not to mention, it would get it's ass handed to it by all these RWD or AWD cars in any performance metric.


It's pretty, it's quick, it sounds amazing but that's about it.
The RS has been around for years, they could have sold them in the states a long time ago and the GTi seems to sell pretty well for VW.
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The RS has been around for years, they could have sold them in the states a long time ago and the GTi seems to sell pretty well for VW.
Could have, perhaps - but they never did.

RS products in Europe are VERY expensive - again I am not sure who would pay $30-40k in the US for a FWD Ford hatchback.

And frankly I am not sure what I dislike more: the solid rear axle in the 300 HP Mustang, or the torque steer in a 300 HP FWD car.
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RS products in Europe are VERY expensive - again I am not sure who would pay $30-40k in the US for a FWD Ford hatchback.

And frankly I am not sure what I dislike more: the solid rear axle in the 300 HP Mustang, or the torque steer in a 300 HP FWD car.
exactly. the gti is cheaper than the RS. however, i don't dislike that the mustang comes with a solid axle. its probably more track-friendly with less wheel hop. and i hate torque steer; its why i'll never own a fwd performance car again.
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Could have, perhaps - but they never did.

RS products in Europe are VERY expensive - again I am not sure who would pay $30-40k in the US for a FWD Ford hatchback.

And frankly I am not sure what I dislike more: the solid rear axle in the 300 HP Mustang, or the torque steer in a 300 HP FWD car.
It's more expensive in Europe because it's a foreign market. The price wouldn't be the same here.

Also the Mazdaspeed 3 did pretty good for it's self.
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It's more expensive in Europe because it's a foreign market. The price wouldn't be the same here.
Give me some credit, I compared proportionally to a GTI.

In Europe, the RS will apparently start at E 39k.
A GTI starts at E 22k.

The cost difference is staggering.

That's why it was tested against an Evo and 135i, they are all now in the same price bracket.

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Also the Mazdaspeed 3 did pretty good for it's self.
Didn't have 300 BHP, and it had to limit torque in the first gear (or was it first two gears).

And it was cheap.

And I didn't want one either.
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Give me some credit, I compared proportionally to a GTI.

In Europe, the RS will apparently start at E 39k.
A GTI starts at E 22k.

The cost difference is staggering.

That's why it was tested against an Evo and 135i, they are all now in the same price bracket.



Didn't have 300 BHP, and it had to limit torque in the first gear (or was it first two gears).

And it was cheap.

And I didn't want one either.
I'm guessing you took the European price of the RS (25k pounds) and converted pounds to dollars to get the price of $39k? It doesn't work like that, you can't simple convert the money over and get an accurate price.

In Britain a base Evo is 28k pounds and if you convert that to dollars it would be $40k. However in the U.S. the base price of an Evo is $32k.
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