C&D: 2012 BMW 1M Coupe prototype drive

E82tt6 · 07-09-2010, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by felixcat

Wait, no DCT? only 335hp? BMW are you kidding?

Fabricated.

Scott said technical specs would not be released for some period of time.

I HIGHLY doubt BMW would add a dinan-level (at best) tune to the engine, and label it an "///M" engine.

E82tt6 · 07-09-2010, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by M3_WC

I agree, it wouldn't be the first time C&D got info incorrect.

You mean they weren't right when they said it'd be a 350hp NA engine? My guess is we'll see any engine delivering somewhere between 350 and 375, about halfway between the 135i and the M3.

Less would be disappointing, unless they managed to shave multiple hundred pounds off the car.

sparoz · 07-09-2010, 07:13 AM

scott said the cut off was at 360, and we know the initial 340-345 was too little from rumours..

can't see it doesn't come with DCT because that will mean no US market. Having said that, don't think there's a DCT tested yet???

larryn · 07-09-2010, 07:27 AM

This sounds like more of a 135is car than a 1M. Suspension, chip, exhaust, fender flares, and bigger tires. We already have that.

No mention of the M Diff, CF Roof, aluminum (or composite) fenders, and DCT elimination make for a lackluster outing (and likely slow seller, if carried through to production)..

E82tt6 · 07-09-2010, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sparoz

scott said the cut off was at 360, and we know the initial 340-345 was too little from rumours..

can't see it doesn't come with DCT because that will mean no US market. Having said that, don't think there's a DCT tested yet???

357 is exactly halfway, so 360 would be a reasonable cut off. The 1 is already a good bit lighter, and it'd honestly be within spitting distance of the M3 in a straight line with 360. The M3 is at 8.9lb/hp, even if the M lost no weight compared to the 135i, it'd have 9.3lb/hp, which is really quite close. The 335i and 135i are both at over 11lbs/hp.

I can't imagine that a DCT would not be available. BMW has spent a lot developing the technology, and marketing it as a performance option. There is already a DCT available in the 135i, I doubt there would not be one available for the M.

BBK · 07-09-2010, 07:47 AM

Frankly, power doesn't 'really' matter. It's about acceleration. This car needs to be doing 0-100 in approx 4.8seconds (or better) to be a real M car. If it only needs 335hp and they do something about weight then that would be fine.

Many of us have said this before, but it's my firm belief that if BMW don't make this as quick as an M3 in the straight AND the corners, then they haven't done it justice. Pure M? I don't think so...

It will be a good car, but to save the glorified M3 from being upstaged, it will never be as good as it SHOULD be. And I would think that 'pure M' like Segler says in the video, does not compromise...

M3Newbie88 · 07-09-2010, 08:04 AM

If it is a more powerful N54, it just means they tuned the engine differently like many of the tunes we put in to push more power as we all know it is capable of this. Sounds like they just put their powerkit in and up'd the hp a bit or heck even are just "currently rating" the N54 engine as it was underrated.... totally disappointed..

dmboone25 · 07-09-2010, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by larryn

This sounds like more of a 135is car than a 1M. Suspension, chip, exhaust, fender flares, and bigger tires. We already have that.

No mention of the M Diff, CF Roof, aluminum (or composite) fenders, and DCT elimination make for a lackluster outing (and likely slow seller, if carried through to production)..

The article also says the prototype has a more powerful N54, which we know not to be true. The engine in the E82 M will be a tweaked N55, which will be THE BASIS FOR THE NEXT M3....

This car is not going to be a "dog"....it isn't going to be a 135iS....

C&D is always about 4 weeks behind on things....and can't even get it right when they do produce an article...

How in the hell are you supposed to know the car has 335 HP from sitting in the passenger seat? I have riden in an Lotus, and it felt like that thing had 500 HP because it seemed soooo fast....but you really have no idea until you drive it.

SCOTT's post on page 1 puts it in perspective....I am happy to see new pictures of the car, but the meat of this article is pure shit....

MyCorvette · 07-09-2010, 08:32 AM

All I need is someone from BMW give us DIRECT answers like:

1. The 1M will not only make 335hp;

2. Yes, DCT will be absolutely offered

Right now all we have is some vague words from SCOTT...

BrokenVert · 07-09-2010, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by felixcat

All I need is someone from BMW give us DIRECT answers like:

1. The 1M will not only make 335hp;

2. Yes, DCT will be absolutely offered

Right now all we have is some vague words from SCOTT...

Scott has answered you...as has dr. Segler. The car is comming but you have to wait.

m3bs · 07-09-2010, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BBK

Frankly, power doesn't 'really' matter. It's about acceleration. This car needs to be doing 0-100 in approx 4.8seconds (or better) to be a real M car.

It will be a good car, but to save the glorified M3 from being upstaged, it will never be as good as it SHOULD be. ...

I think it needs to be about more than acceleration. Feedback, controllability, and responsiveness are what define M cars to me. They have always been overachievers in that they often outperform cars with considerably more HP on the track because they can be driven to their limits effectively by mere mortals like me. As much as I enjoy the sheer grunt of a turbo motor, I'm not sure it will ever be as satisfying to drive at 9/10ths (or more) as a NA motor of similar HP.

And, as you suggest, BMW will never let the lowly 135M outperform the M3.

mixxer · 07-09-2010, 09:08 AM

DCT is a must for me ! if it has somewhere near 350 and a DCT and the other stuff stated as far as suspension ect. I am a buyer. If not i am not. Hope it has carbon fiber roof at least as an option.

MyCorvette · 07-09-2010, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BrokenVert

Scott has answered you...as has dr. Segler. The car is comming but you have to wait.

SCOTT said "NO OFFICIAL figures have been released , The Journalist is speculating"

If I understand correctly, it means the answer is "maybe yes or maybe no"

NavM · 07-09-2010, 10:19 AM

Let's wait until we get official information from BMW before getting all worried and dismissing the car. I am certain they won't disappoint. Here is my prediction:

1. 355 bhp (360 PS), tweaked version of N55 (S55?)
2. M-DCT will be available, if not at launch then later into production.
3. Carbon fiber roof since all recent M coupes (M3, M6) comes standard with it. However, I won't be surprised if they drop this due to cost issues.

I can not wait to see this car.

This will be a perfect replacement for E46 M3.

Genericuser1 · 07-09-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by aus135i

Please SCOTT PLEASE ... i need DCT! or my wife won't let me buy it >_<

Another vote for DCT as an option, my knees are going and 95% chance my next car will need to be double-clutch or auto.

BForbes · 07-09-2010, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BMW86

Guys I have a feeling this info is way off. We'll just have to wait and see...

+1.

E82tt6 · 07-09-2010, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by NavM3

Let's wait until we get official information from BMW before getting all worried and dismissing the car. I am certain they won't disappoint. Here is my prediction:

1. 355 bhp (360 PS), tweaked version of N55 (S55?)
2. M-DCT will be available, if not at launch then later into production.
3. Carbon fiber roof since all recent M coupes (M3, M6) comes standard with it. However, I won't be surprised if they drop this due to cost issues.

I can not wait to see this car.

This will be a perfect replacement for E46 M3.

Given what the M guys have said, this seems accurate. Performance will likely be somewhere between the Z4 MC and the E92 M3, hopefully with handling ability more in lines with Z.

I'm going to wait to see specs and track times before deciding on whether it would be a worthy replacement for the Z

SlicktopTTZ · 07-09-2010, 11:16 AM

If they make the extra power while still at 8psi by running larger turbos and/or upgrading the head/valve-train then I will be happy.

The tuners would be happy too.

I'm glad they won't sell it with an auto, but it seems illogical to offer this vehicle without the DCT.

Fuerza · 07-09-2010, 11:46 AM

I wonder how much money BMW paid that journalist to write all that hyperbole? Car and Driver are making this car sound like a 2009 135i with a few tricks here and there. It sounds like they are trying to help BMW sell more 135/128 before the 1M's official specs are released. With the 2011 135i in full swing with the new N55 and DCT do you guys really think BMW M division would step backward with a 6 speed only N54?

Robert · 07-09-2010, 01:15 PM

The most urgent question on the agenda is if its N54 is the HPFP issue resolved? I am not going through that all over again.

marasani · 07-09-2010, 01:41 PM

Let's hope this info is incorrect. . .

335 HP is more like a 135is. It would be such a let down for an ///M car.

135burner · 07-09-2010, 01:49 PM

This 1M was always gonna be a strange addition to their lineup IMO. The performance margin between our cars and the M3 is already pretty narrow. Slap on a tune and some suspension bits and the margin becomes almost nonexistent. This car has never made sense to me so I'm not really disappointed.. I mean they weren't going to build a 1 series M variant that outperforms their 3 series M car..

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larryn Lieutenant General 2148 Rep 10,176 Posts Drives: '97 332ti, '21 X5 45e, '16 GT4 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Seattle iTrader: (2)	This sounds like more of a 135is car than a 1M. Suspension, chip, exhaust, fender flares, and bigger tires. We already have that. No mention of the M Diff, CF Roof, aluminum (or composite) fenders, and DCT elimination make for a lackluster outing (and likely slow seller, if carried through to production)..
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BBK Banned 88 Rep 3,070 Posts Drives: A boring one... Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Australia iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 BMW 135i [5.76]	Frankly, power doesn't 'really' matter. It's about acceleration. This car needs to be doing 0-100 in approx 4.8seconds (or better) to be a real M car. If it only needs 335hp and they do something about weight then that would be fine. Many of us have said this before, but it's my firm belief that if BMW don't make this as quick as an M3 in the straight AND the corners, then they haven't done it justice. Pure M? I don't think so... It will be a good car, but to save the glorified M3 from being upstaged, it will never be as good as it SHOULD be. And I would think that 'pure M' like Segler says in the video, does not compromise...
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M3Newbie88 Brigadier General 138 Rep 4,053 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Canada iTrader: (5)	If it is a more powerful N54, it just means they tuned the engine differently like many of the tunes we put in to push more power as we all know it is capable of this. Sounds like they just put their powerkit in and up'd the hp a bit or heck even are just "currently rating" the N54 engine as it was underrated.... totally disappointed..
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MyCorvette Private First Class 21 Rep 103 Posts Drives: 750i Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: OC iTrader: (0)	All I need is someone from BMW give us DIRECT answers like: 1. The 1M will not only make 335hp; 2. Yes, DCT will be absolutely offered Right now all we have is some vague words from SCOTT...
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mixxer Second Lieutenant 3 Rep 226 Posts Drives: 2010 335 xi Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: phoenixville,PA iTrader: (0)	DCT is a must for me ! if it has somewhere near 350 and a DCT and the other stuff stated as far as suspension ect. I am a buyer. If not i am not. Hope it has carbon fiber roof at least as an option.
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07-09-2010, 10:19 AM	#36
NavM M-Sport 22 Rep 174 Posts Drives: M2 Competition Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: DC area iTrader: (0)	Let's wait until we get official information from BMW before getting all worried and dismissing the car. I am certain they won't disappoint. Here is my prediction: 1. 355 bhp (360 PS), tweaked version of N55 (S55?) 2. M-DCT will be available, if not at launch then later into production. 3. Carbon fiber roof since all recent M coupes (M3, M6) comes standard with it. However, I won't be surprised if they drop this due to cost issues. I can not wait to see this car. This will be a perfect replacement for E46 M3.
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SlicktopTTZ Captain 11 Rep 685 Posts Drives: 91 300ZX Twin-Turbo, 2010 135i Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Corpus Christi, Texas iTrader: (0)	If they make the extra power while still at 8psi by running larger turbos and/or upgrading the head/valve-train then I will be happy. The tuners would be happy too. I'm glad they won't sell it with an auto, but it seems illogical to offer this vehicle without the DCT.
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Fuerza Private 0 Rep 89 Posts Drives: 2015 Taurus SHO Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: El Paso, TX iTrader: (0)	I wonder how much money BMW paid that journalist to write all that hyperbole? Car and Driver are making this car sound like a 2009 135i with a few tricks here and there. It sounds like they are trying to help BMW sell more 135/128 before the 1M's official specs are released. With the 2011 135i in full swing with the new N55 and DCT do you guys really think BMW M division would step backward with a 6 speed only N54?
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Robert Major General 414 Rep 6,968 Posts Drives: 135i -> is350 -> Tesla M3 perf Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Socal iTrader: (1)	The most urgent question on the agenda is if its N54 is the HPFP issue resolved? I am not going through that all over again.
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marasani New Member 1 Rep 22 Posts Drives: E90 325i, E46 325i Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SoCal iTrader: (0)	Let's hope this info is incorrect. . . 335 HP is more like a 135is. It would be such a let down for an ///M car.
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135burner Private 6 Rep 81 Posts Drives: bmw 135i Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA iTrader: (4)	This 1M was always gonna be a strange addition to their lineup IMO. The performance margin between our cars and the M3 is already pretty narrow. Slap on a tune and some suspension bits and the margin becomes almost nonexistent. This car has never made sense to me so I'm not really disappointed.. I mean they weren't going to build a 1 series M variant that outperforms their 3 series M car.. Last edited by 135burner; 07-09-2010 at 04:23 PM..
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