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They are a limited. At the time I was buying a car they didn't have any. And also every single one of them had a dealer mark up of about 20-25 thousand so even if there were any I wouldn't pay that much for it.
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@themellly, I think your question is as follows.
How do we justify 128i ownership with a car that on average gets 5-8 MPG better than 135i, but lack all the go fast stuff? For many it is price (various countries really price the 135i high). For others it is anti turbo sentiment for their own reason. Legacy of pure NA I6 from BMW, connection to past or last breed of engine Reliability, less to go wrong. Others will say weight. Saved funds to mod the car with preferred brakes choice or suspension. Some will also say that it fits their driving skill level/comfort. Finally, some of us love the idea to max out a slightly lighter car at near 300* hp power using headers, intake manifold, intake and software *300 hp is yet to be proven in USA/NA, current developments in e90 post have a contravercial thread with a maxed out 328i. Euro guys did it, one using race ECU with race bolt on, another one using bolt on and a custom tune
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Well basically yes.. The price difference and the reliabily I understand.. I only asked because its not so much of a huge price difference. It would be ridiculous to ask why someone choose a 128 over an m5 or whatever else. However a 128 does not get better mpg then a 135 which is overall the reason why I asked in the first place. Basically the whole point was to get people's opinions. Even though I can't agree with some of the things I know which are true and which are not. Both great cars but everyone will prefer one over the other.. Which ever way it turns out.
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The only thing negative I can really think of to say about the 128 is it's ugly/girly looking... but, no more so than the 135i. Gotta go 1M to address that, and then you get stuck with turbos again. For what I want in a car, everything about the 135i is a downgrade as compared to the 128i. Handling, weight, engine dynamics, reliability... all worse. No desire for laggy/torquey/unreliable turbo power. Something was wrong with the 128i you drove, it's MPG should have been about double what you got, and that's assuming you were backroad/inefficiently driving.
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"Our 3197-pound car was 223 pounds lighter than the 135i we tested, with a more even front-to-rear weight distribution as well." http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take-road-test That test car had a sun roof, mine doesn't. Every 135i in the US has one. Generally they weigh around 40lbs in the second worst spot on the car.
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The n54 and n55 are MUCH heavier than the N52, the 135 trans is significantly heavier than the 128 trans, and a sunroof adds a lot of weight and is mandatory on the 135. Nothing significant has changed. |
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Did BMW switch the '13 135i to a carbon fiber monocoque shell or is this response entirely irrelevant? There's only been a few changes over the past 5 years, most notably the N54 to N55 switch and dumbo ears on all forthcoming LCI's. Maybe someone else can chime in on any weight loss. I really don't know but for however much you lose in weight over the N54 model, you gain back in your side mirrors. Either way, it's negligible and this article is relevant and can be cited.
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KBB tests the cars they receive. So, if they got a 128 with a sunroof, automatic, idrive, etc, vs a base 135i, the weight difference will be less. The 200 lbs is a base 128i vs a 135i.
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I got mine because I wanted an easier car to drive. That means automatic, I thought a 135 with auto would be a sin. The 128 is a compromise, a sensible car, exactly what I needed after building my last car into an m45 boosted methanol fueled monster.
An auto 128 is exactly what I needed, if I wanted to build a racecar, there are much more accessible chassis available. Furthermore, anyone with a 128 or 135 would do well to recognize each car isn't in competition with one another, they're both great for VERY different reasons. I have never seen so much shit talking on what is essentially the same car, it's really disappointing to see Last edited by ggcadc; 04-21-2013 at 07:24 PM.. |
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lol hey I got nothing but love for everyone. I don't wanna argue. He asked why it gets 18mpg city. Mine has never done that...I've driven it 100,000km (60k miles for us ppl) mine has always done significantly better. Then again mine is a 6spd and I'm anal about fluids and gas. I explained to him what makes a 128i fun, so did stig so did Andre. He decided to pretty much ignore us when all he had to do was say "yah I can see where you're coming from, I should probably drive a 6spd car to see what the big deal is"
Note:: I noticed ppl have different driving styles. If you're a douche and your idea of driving is accelerating from a light and shifting at 5k yes the 135i is going to feel like a rocket. There is no lag in that car. BUT if you have some balls and you live in the country or near a racetrack with elevation changes and your idea is taking esses and elevated corners at wot in the top of 3rd peaking at 7k, the 128i is MUCH better. Period. In fact the only thing better from BMW is an m3 with that amazing NA v8, but at that price point i would consider a used Porscha // rant |
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It's frustrating that 135 owners look down on 128 owners, in turn causing us to look down on 135 owners.
Theyre the same car with different motors that have to be driven differently to be truly enjoyed. The n54/55 is a power monster meant for pure speed, while the n52 requires finesse and maintaining momentum(what we call, "fun" in this section) in order to acquire its fastest lap times. In a non comparison setting with any average run of the mill driver, a 135i will be easier to drive fast on a track compared to a 128, even if they made the same power numbers. This is due to the power delivery of the turbo's versus NA.
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